20:41:10 From tichure : hey there ss 20:41:20 From tichure : How can I help you 20:42:01 From SSJ : hello, so I am still a bit fuzzy on the presentation 20:42:08 From tichure : eng 213? 20:42:16 From tichure : or 103? 20:43:00 From SSJ : 213, Are we actually presenting this in person or posting our analysis of our chosen topic on canvas? 20:43:40 From tichure : posting in the folder 20:43:58 From SSJ : Of the selected week I assume? 20:44:13 From tichure : essentially, you’re going to create a written document or, if you’re technologically able to, create a video if you like, in which you apply single critical perspective to a work of horror, no matter what genre, with demonstrated research. 20:44:50 From tichure : Within that work, you are going to give us a complete but incredibly brief summary of the entire story. If you are making a video it would be no more than 90 seconds. If it is in writing, it should be a relatively short paragraph. You are taking for granted that anybody reading that has not seen or read or has not been exposed to this particular work. 20:45:13 From tichure : This is obviously different from your paper that you’re doing for me As a research paper in which I have to have read it because I am critically analyzing it on a much deeper level and I do not want a summary of the story of the work you’re doing for your research paper. 20:45:25 From tichure : yes. I’m asking people to choose a week so that I don’t get 15 analyses to do in one week. 20:45:34 From tichure : The reality is most people push it toward the end of the semester is because that’s what happens. 20:45:40 From tichure : Do you know what work you wanted to do for your presentation? 20:46:08 From SSJ : Yeah, I was planning to do it on one of H.P Lovecraft stories 20:46:36 From tichure : great 20:46:38 From tichure : Which one 20:47:43 From SSJ : Im still considering between At the Mountains of Madness or Call of Cthulhu 20:47:52 From tichure : okay. Do you know which critical perspective you’d like to apply? 20:48:03 From tichure : although obviously it may depend on which of the stories that you choose 20:48:20 From SSJ : No, not yet 20:48:40 From tichure : ok 20:49:19 From tichure : obviously, the first decision is choosing which one you want to do. The second is to do some preliminary research on the author in order to see what kind of literary criticism and analysis is available. Reading some of these critical analyses may give you a clue as to a way to translate it, such as coming across a mythological analysis or psychoanalytical analysis or feminist analysis. 20:50:06 From tichure : This essay is written as an essay is going to be about three or four paragraphs, in which the body paragraphs are going to run about a page or so. You need at least two secondary sources (research that is not the work itself). It should run anywhere between two and three pages. 20:50:40 From tichure : If you decide to make it into a video, it should probably run about 15 minutes or so. Anything less than 10 is too short and anything more than 20 is probably too long. 20:50:51 From tichure : By the way, students making a video for presentation is rare. I think two students have done it in five years. 20:51:47 From tichure : Once you decide on the work itself, we can have a discussion in this forum to ferret out different ways that you may want to translate this work and of course the resources that would support that type of critical analysis. 20:52:13 From SSJ : Okay that sounds great 20:52:21 From tichure : Have you decided on what you gonna do for the research paper 20:52:37 From SSJ : Yeah I am doing 20:52:53 From SSJ : The Haunting of Hill House 20:53:02 From SSJ : by Shirley JAckson 20:53:08 From tichure : very good. Have you gotten a biography of Jackson? 20:53:50 From SSJ : Not yet I know we are supposed to get 10 sources for the paper though 20:53:52 From tichure : Have you found any specific literary criticism through Gale or Ebscohost? 20:54:29 From SSJ : I have not 20:54:30 From tichure : Well you’re not required to get 10 sources for the paper itself. You’re required to find nine secondary sources (one of those in the list is going to be the story itself) that demonstrate that you have enough material that you will be a will to write a paper. In reality, the first paper draft which only has two critical perspectives is likely to use about four or five secondary sources. The final draft in which you have a total for critical perspectives is more likely to run 6 to 8. 20:54:45 From tichure : Within that list you need a biography of the author that includes the type of material that she writes as well as her life experiences. 20:55:14 From tichure : I sent an email out to everyone that gives you the links of my website for the research resources available through the library as well as my own discussion of what the annotated works cited page is supposed to look like. Hopefully that will be helpful. 20:56:01 From SSJ : Okay thank you 20:56:13 From tichure : In terms of timeline, the annotated work cited is going be first on your list so I would definitely get on that right now. You have chosen a literary work so it should not be a problem finding enough resource material. 20:56:40 From SSJ : Yes I will get started on that asap 20:56:47 From tichure : Excellent. Is there anything else I can help you with ? 20:57:13 From SSJ : haha no that will be all 20:57:27 From SSJ : Thank You 20:57:41 From tichure : excellent. As soon as you begin your process, I will be here each Wednesday in which we can discuss either the paper or the presentation. The focus is to get you moving along so that you get done on time 20:57:50 From tichure : obviously if you have any questions you can also send me an email anytime. 20:58:20 From SSJ : Sounds great, thank you for your help 20:58:25 From tichure : You’re welcome. Have a great week 20:58:42 From SSJ : You too :) 21:02:10 From tichure : poof 19:29:56 From SSJ : Hello professor 19:32:52 From SSJ : My question today is how would I apply the Myth critical approach to a H.P Lovecraft story? 19:34:29 From tichure : Sorry. Stepped out for a minute. 19:34:37 From tichure : What do you understand about mythological criticism? 19:34:52 From tichure : Because from the outset, any story that has a narrative plot could apply elements of mythological criticism. 19:36:34 From SSJ : I am not sure I understand it 19:36:46 From tichure : did you watch the video? Did you see the description and discussion on the website 19:37:28 From SSJ : I saw the description and the video link gave an error that it was not found 19:39:28 From tichure : http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/critical/mythicons.htm 19:43:00 From tichure : i will update that video tonight 19:43:12 From tichure : but here’s the deal 19:43:56 From tichure : Carl Young, who was a guy who worked with Sigmund Freud, came up with the concept that everyone shares the same experiences across cultures. This universal experience was and reflected in a critical theory that basically says that when one tells a story, if you stupid down to its basic elements, there are clear characters, settings and plots that are easily identifiable. 19:44:35 From tichure : The collective conscious is reflected by identifying specifically, for example, character types, such as the idealized hero, the fallen hero, the foolish hero, the tragic hero, the damsel in distress, the older, the wicked witch etc. You also have standard plot lines of the quest, the jury, the fall from grace, the test etc. 19:45:05 From tichure : and of course you have setting archetypes, such as the desert, the jungle or forest, the maze or the trap, stranger in a strange land etc. 19:45:41 From tichure : your job would be to find a valid resource that has a list and explanation for mythological archetypes, available through the links are provided by the citrus college library on the live guides for my courses, in which you would find the owners apply to your particular story. You either find direct analysis that declare that these things occur in your story or you would find the definitions and you apply them to your story. 19:46:07 From tichure : Are you familiar with little red riding Little red riding Hood? 19:46:16 From SSJ : Yes 19:46:18 From tichure : carl jung 19:47:01 From tichure : and the reason the character is enforced is not just because this work was originally told in Germany. The forest is a place of fear, as it is very difficult to identify what is ahead or who is behind the trees, creating danger. Add a young female protagonist and now we have the Nif, the girl, and the disobedient child. 19:47:04 From tichure : naif 19:47:12 From tichure : ] If you get into more sophisticated in early versions of the story, she is also 19:47:13 From tichure : the virgin. 19:47:33 From tichure : The wolf of course is an older aggressive mail, which would be the older, the trickster, as he manipulates her into going off her appointed path. 19:47:53 From tichure : The mother of course is the voice of wisdom, to the girl wise old witch because she controls, but to us a wise person who foretells dangerous if the daughter does not comply. 19:48:20 From tichure : You then and the plot. It’s a quest. She is supposed to deliver something from her house to her mother’s house alone. She is told not to speak to anyone or to vear off the path. 19:48:50 From tichure : In most versions of people are familiar with, her initial quest fails, but she is saved by a working man, an actual human being who has a real job… The woodcutter, and he rescues her and her grandmother, being the romantic hero. 19:49:03 From tichure : All of these elements are part and parcel of mythological criticism. Your identifying archetypes. 19:49:07 From tichure : Check it out. 19:50:25 From SSJ : Ohhh okay, so the thing is that some of Lovecraft's stories in my opinion seem to not have a successful hero. 19:51:47 From SSJ : Most of them go mad and I could not really see the Hero's journey in the stories 19:52:24 From tichure : the tragic hero 19:52:27 From tichure : the failed quest 19:53:08 From SSJ : So it does not necessarily have to have a good ending? 19:55:41 From tichure : no 19:55:44 From tichure : most arent 19:56:08 From tichure : essentially, one of the most famous stories, which is what was the establishment of Freud’s theory on dream fulfillment and is complex, was an unfulfilled field quest. 19:56:40 From SSJ : Okay, so it seems I can use this approach for the presentation. 19:57:15 From SSJ : Thank you for elaborating on it 19:57:53 From tichure : yes. I will update that video link tonight when I post the chat. Thanks for letting me know it was not working 19:58:31 From SSJ : Now for the final paper I have so far 3 approaches I would like to use. Can I go over them with you? 19:58:50 From tichure : in yes. Go ahead 20:00:28 From SSJ : So I am working on The Haunting the Haunting of Hill House and I plan to use Psychoanalytical, Historical, and Biographical. 20:01:04 From tichure : bio only applies to autobio works, rare if nonexistent in horror 20:01:26 From tichure : if the work is a symbolic presentation of the authors own experience, that is psychoanalytical on author 20:01:36 From tichure : but unless the author actually lived the very experience that she’s writing about, it’s not biographical 20:01:54 From SSJ : Ohhh okay, so scratch that out ha 20:01:57 From tichure : if you want to explain something she experienced letter to a political or social belief that he then turned into a story, that is Marxist criticism, not biographical 20:02:05 From tichure : led her 20:06:02 From SSJ : So by using Psychoanalytical I can use her life relationships with her mother and husband and the author's fear of being alone in a big house to be symbolized in the story she wrote? Would that be the correct approach? 20:06:35 From tichure : yes 20:06:54 From tichure : you are using her biography to reveal that she is exposing her fears etc. through this story symbolically 20:08:28 From SSJ : Is it just me or is the program shutting down and restarting? 20:09:20 From tichure : yes. I can hear a bell each time it resets 20:10:22 From SSJ : Okay, so how would a Historical approach be used? 20:12:07 From tichure : historical criticism is an explanation of the historical references and work. The work is set in 1940s rural America, you’re going to be reporting the weather will land the culture the values that are all related to the story that is being told. When the story explains without other information that the family returned from church that Sunday afternoon, part of your historical information would be that at that time about 90% of the American population attended a church on Sundays 20:13:10 From tichure : historical criticism were also explained actual established phenomenon that would fit within word things such as famous haunted houses (the Winchester mansion), famous murders (the story that Texas chainsaw massacre was based on)or other elements that are actually based in fact even though they’ve been turned into the fiction 20:13:53 From SSJ : Would I be able to use the role of women at that time as my focus point? Or would that fall under Gender critiscism? 20:14:02 From SSJ : criticism 20:14:47 From tichure : well if you remember that gender criticism is simply a historical criticism that focuses on gender issues only only, that would certainly be the case. However, if you’re adding other historical elements, you would include that gender-based information in your general historical criticism 20:15:18 From tichure : How historically relevant is your work? 20:15:40 From tichure : Likewise, if you want to have a focused analysis on how women would respond to the work, you would apply feminist criticism. Because the author herself is obviously a woman, there is likely to be feminist analysis of her stories 20:18:21 From SSJ : So I may have gotten the wrong idea, I thought I could use the perspective to highlight the unusualness of the protagonists state of not being married 20:20:12 From tichure : yes 20:20:29 From tichure : among other realities of the era depicted 20:21:21 From SSJ : So it would go well with my idea that the author explores isolation? 20:22:55 From tichure : well 20:22:56 From tichure : yes 20:23:04 From tichure : as does marxist crit 20:23:45 From SSJ : How so? 20:24:20 From tichure : it explains authors point 20:24:43 From tichure : such as recurring themes of isolation and persecution in jacksons wortk 20:25:40 From SSJ : Ohhhh okay she hints at the theme of isolation 20:26:31 From SSJ : We need at least 4 critical approaches correct? 20:27:35 From tichure : yes 20:30:37 From tichure : but paper 1 is only 2 20:31:43 From SSJ : With only two supporting outside sources? 20:32:59 From tichure : for each minimum 20:34:19 From SSJ : 2 of each perspective? 20:35:44 From tichure : yes 20:35:48 From tichure : minimum 20:36:38 From SSJ : Just to be clear paper 1 is the presentation? 20:37:11 From tichure : no 20:38:20 From tichure : Paper one and paper 2 and the outline in the irritated works cited are all on the same topic. Paper one is to critical perspectives. They were to is 4 critical perspectives which includes the first 2 from paper 1 20:38:31 From tichure : annotated works cited 20:40:18 From SSJ : Why are they named 1 and 2? 20:41:30 From tichure : paper 1 goes first 20:41:35 From tichure : paper 2 goes second 20:41:40 From tichure : actually called final paper 20:42:43 From SSJ : So in paper 1 we use two critical perspectives which will result in two paragraphs using the format you provided, which we turn in when? 20:43:19 From tichure : yes 20:43:27 From tichure : and due date is on canvas 20:45:42 From SSJ : Okay I will look for those more thoroughly 20:46:06 From tichure : great 20:46:30 From SSJ : Regarding the Works Cited page you need the 8 due by this week and the note cards next week? 20:46:53 From SSJ : I saw it on canvas under week 4 and 5 so I am bit confused 20:49:19 From tichure : again, the annotated works cited and the notecards are exactly the same thing. It is a total of 10 items. It is announced on week four and it is due on week five. That’s why there’s a due date for an actual submission of a written document for the fifth week. One of the items of the 10 will be your primary source, the story that you’re analyzing. The other nine will include a biography of the author and other direct analysis of the work you’re analyzing. 20:50:37 From SSJ : Okay, thank you for clarifying 20:50:55 From tichure : you’re welcome 20:53:34 From SSJ : Thank you for time, I will keep in touch :) 20:54:29 From tichure : sounds good