13:06:17 From tichure : Hey there Austin and Marina. We will begin in a bit. 13:06:30 From tichure : in the meantime, have you looked at the topics for the research paper? 13:08:40 From tichure : Hey there, Dylan. We are hanging out until more people filter in 13:08:46 From tichure : in the meantime, have you looked at the topics for the research paper? 13:10:01 From Dylan : yes i already chose one 13:10:28 From tichure : Excellent. 13:10:57 From tichure : Folks, will start in a couple minutes. There always are a few late people on the first day, you know parking and all 13:14:14 From Austin to tichure (Privately) : Where are the topics for the research paper? (Sorry I just saw the Chat.) 13:16:01 From tichure : okay folks, let me run through a couple quick things about the class that will probably answer some of the questions that you may have, and then we will get to questions 13:16:10 From tichure : during the course of the semester you are doing two main projects 13:16:51 From tichure : the one that is the most important and has the greatest impact on your grade is the research paper. 13:16:59 From tichure : http://www.englit.org/ 13:17:18 From tichure : Now if you go to that website, you pick your class from the list below and you will find a CALENDAR. 13:17:25 From tichure : On the calendar, there is a term paper list link at the top 13:17:37 From tichure : for most people, they will recognize at least one or two things there, but you are not limited to that list 13:17:42 From tichure : anything on that list is automatically fine with me 13:18:05 From tichure : however, a significant number of students ask if they can do a work within the genre of the course and in many cases I have either seen or read the work that they’re talking about or I have access to it and I can do so 13:18:17 From tichure : so really, the choice is up to you as long as you run it by me if it’s not on that list 13:18:34 From tichure : that paper encompasses four of your grades for this course 13:19:03 From tichure : the first thing you want do is choose something and then you create an annotated Works cited as a demonstration to me and yourself that you have enough material to write a college level literary analysis research paper 13:19:37 From tichure : as you may have noticed in one or three of the emails I sent, we are looking for resources that are researched, validated and are doing actual critical analysis rather than review 13:19:46 From tichure : there are two classes in this group that meets on Tuesdays 13:19:56 From tichure : one of them focuses on film and the other focuses on horror. There’s a lot of crossover there 13:20:31 From tichure : by the way, I use Dragon speak. I talk, it types. We don’t always agree on what I’m to say. If something comes out more idiotic than usual, just ask me for clarification 13:20:37 From tichure : anyway 13:20:58 From tichure : a lot of people end up doing movies. The problem with film research is that a lot of the discussion of a particular movie is a review, discussing why it’s fun or good for the kids or maybe not so good for grandma or whatever 13:21:31 From tichure : we are looking for literary analysis which is going to talk about things like the portrayal of women, the portrayal of people of color, the actual context that the film brings up, and often the reviewer is coming from very specific perspective, whether it is an African-American male or it is a Jewish woman or it is a conservative Catholic old white guy 13:21:44 From tichure : these elements are important because you’re going to be giving the four different translations of that work by the end of the semester 13:21:48 From tichure : and they are not expected to agree 13:22:14 From tichure : in fact, at least one of your analyses must be contrarian to the message or ideas or values that are espoused in the story or film or play or whatever that you’ve chosen 13:22:33 From tichure : your annotated works cited is simply a starting point. You may add or subtract from that when it comes to writing the real paper 13:22:45 From tichure : obviously, there will be also a first draft of the research paper which is only two critical perspectives. 13:22:51 From tichure : There will also be an outline of your prediction for the final paper 13:23:04 From tichure : and then you give me the final paper of all four critical perspectives, including the two that you did on the first paper 13:23:08 From tichure : any questions about that 13:23:22 From tichure : because this is where you have to choose carefully. You’re going to be working with this work, whatever it is, for the next 14 weeks or so 13:23:32 From tichure : and you also have to choose something that is researchable 13:23:41 From tichure : any questions so far 13:25:46 From tichure : the other project that you will be doing is something that has a different flavor. The presentation that is due during the course of the semester (and certainly by the end of the semester) is a work within the genre of the course that you choose to present to everyone else with at least one critical perspective. Just like the research paper, it requires research. The fundamental difference is that unlike the research paper, you will be summarizing the entire plot of the story or the movie or the poem they are analyzing because this is the work that you will assume has not been experienced by your audience, which is both me and the rest of the class. 13:26:56 From tichure : The other fundamental difference is that this is a one per person assignment, whereas theoretically all of you could write about Rob Reiner’s Misery for the research paper. Since the presentation is actually going to be posted for everyone to read, you all need your own topic and so you would want to post something as soon as you have an idea. You may not make a presentation of the work you’re doing your research paper on. 13:27:26 From tichure : I’ll wait for you to catch up for a minute 13:27:35 From tichure : and then I will ask, are there any questions? 13:29:45 From tichure : Are there any questions? 13:30:16 From Faith : so just to clarify for everyone: each critical perspective will be a different "lens", so to speak, that you will be watching the film/reading the source from? 13:31:23 From tichure : That is correct faith. The purpose of this type of analysis is to demonstrate the ability to see more than one argument or viewpoint for particular work. It does not mean that you actually have to agree with those perspectives. But you do have to be a will to identify and use them. This will be especially important when you’re out in the real world dealing with all kinds of seemingly insane people, and the greater you understand different cultures, religions and political points of view, the more likely you’re going to realize why that person is wrong 13:31:26 From tichure : or perhaps 13:31:32 From tichure : you might even rethink your own perspective 13:31:46 From tichure : literature, film included, is art 13:31:50 From tichure : there is no single translation 13:32:17 From tichure : many filmmakers and writers refused to translate their work for critics or interviews because they know that it would negatively affect people who translated the work differently from what the author intended 13:32:56 From tichure : the purpose of the chat is simple. It is your opportunity to ask me questions and run ideas by me in a live immediate interaction 13:33:02 From tichure : and 99% of this is going to be about your paper 13:33:09 From tichure : we will discuss the topics themselves 13:33:18 From tichure : the different critical perspectives that do and DO NOT apply 13:33:21 From tichure : and of course resources 13:33:27 From tichure : and other fun things 13:33:38 From tichure : when you have chosen your work for the research paper, we have something to talk about 13:33:46 From tichure : this is the longest speech you’re going to get from me in this room 13:34:05 From tichure : the lectures as HTML and video are on canvas 13:34:16 From tichure : including discussions of formatting, critical theory 13:34:32 From tichure : and even the primary sources themselves (poems, movies, stories) are provided for you there. 13:34:44 From tichure : When you come into this room, I will expect that you have covered that material so that we can actually USE it. 13:34:53 From tichure : So for next Tuesday, read through week two 13:35:39 From tichure : in many cases, I will either be using someone’s research paper topic or the assigned literary work/movie from that week or previous weeks as examples for explaining how the critical perspectives apply and do not apply 13:36:06 From tichure : any questions? 13:36:25 From Austin : Are we going by your website's weekly assignments/readings, or Canvas'? For example, CAnvas says to watch "Breathless" and your website says another. 13:37:16 From tichure : I have not updated the actual items for the weekly assignments on My website, as I made that list late last week. Canvas is the final arbiter and the legal document, as is the syllabus that is posted on canvas 13:37:44 From tichure : and the main reason is the film class was an on campus only deal and therefore I chose for movies I had in my actual collection 13:37:52 From tichure : but now I had to choose material that you all have access to 13:38:01 From tichure : and thus we will be using Kanopy 13:38:06 From Austin : Just making sure, thank you! 13:38:08 From tichure : which turns out to have a lot of really cool stuff 13:38:14 From tichure : I’m glad you clarified that though Austin. 13:38:48 From tichure : So, has everybody seen the list to choose from for the research paper? If not, peruse it now at least to get an idea as to what’s on their 13:38:51 From tichure : there 13:39:02 From tichure : and for those who have actually chosen something, 13:39:12 From tichure : now is the time that I would want to hear what you’re thinking of doing for your research paper 13:39:40 From Austin : Is this also our chance to ask for you for things not on the list? For example, Kubrik's The Shining 13:39:56 From tichure : you can work in groups on the same research paper topic, although you will all be writing your own unique research paper. However, working together with the people would help in the gathering of resources, discussion of applicable critical perspectives, and of course exchanging papers for editing 13:40:02 From tichure : that is correct Austin 13:40:11 From tichure : and in that case yes Kubrick’s shining is acceptable 13:40:22 From tichure : not for Stephen King mind you, but certainly for this class 13:40:40 From Austin to tichure (Privately) : Understood 13:40:40 From tichure : and you should be able to find plenty of secondary source material that is literary and scholarly in nature 13:40:50 From Faith : well for my research paper, I chose Crash (2004). the 4 critical perspectives I have in mind are gender, Marxist, cultural, historical 13:41:07 From tichure : well, let’s talk about some of the critical perspectives. 13:41:19 From tichure : Because some of them are so close to others that in a particular work, they would be repetitious. 13:41:46 From tichure : Historical criticism and gender criticism are actually quite close in terms of translation, the difference being that historical criticism covers all of the historical elements that are in a work, where is gender criticism focuses on the gender specific issues concerning law, custom and behaviors. 13:41:51 From tichure : If your work is about gender 13:41:59 From tichure : is about male-female, male male, female female relationships 13:42:11 From tichure : historical criticism and gender criticism are essentially going to be the same thing 13:42:27 From tichure : and 13:42:37 From tichure : you also have to consider a critical perspective that is going to essentially hate that movie 13:42:50 From tichure : disagreeing with its plot or its portrayal of characters or the message that it seems to send 13:42:58 From tichure : regardless of what the director intended 13:43:47 From tichure : that might fall into your cultural criticism if that particular culture you choose is one that would find the topics or portrayals portrayed in that movie to be objectionable 13:44:35 From tichure : in that same vein, if you know that a particular individual, say the writer of the original story from which a movie was made, hates the movie that was drawn from it, that falls into a reader response criticism which would be a great antagonistic argument against the Marxist criticism, which focuses on what the DIRECTOR was trying to do 13:45:06 From tichure : so besides crash and the shining, does anyone else have a topic that they’ve chosen? 13:45:12 From tichure : Or at least considering? 13:46:33 From alex : isn't there a list of possible topics? i'm trying to find it but i'm struggling slightly 13:46:45 From Austin : http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/resource/paperlistmovie.htm 13:46:50 From Austin : For 291H 13:46:52 From tichure : thank you Austin 13:46:58 From tichure : what a helpful group already 13:47:01 From tichure : my work here is done 13:47:02 From alex : thank you :) 13:47:23 From tichure : Austin and faith, have you started the research process? 13:47:54 From tichure : And/or have you written a literary analysis for a movie in a college class before? 13:48:11 From Austin : I just searched on Academic Search Complete and found results for The Shining. 13:48:23 From tichure : Excellent. 13:48:48 From Austin : I did a report on Gojira (1954) but not a research paper. 13:48:56 From tichure : In your annotated works, you will need at least one good biography of the director. 13:49:00 From Jessika : I was considering writing mine on An American Werewolf in London, and I guess my main question is if it would okay to use the fact that it was revolutionary in terms of special effects makeup? or are we just focusing on script and story? 13:49:02 From Austin : So this is a higher task. 13:49:15 From tichure : that is correct Austin 13:49:26 From tichure : Jessika, who felt it was revolutionary in terms of special effects 13:49:31 From tichure : because that is a response to the movie 13:49:57 From tichure : but you would have to identify who feels that way and then you have a cultural or reader response translation of the work, focusing on the group that viewed the movie in terms of special effects instead focusing on plot and character 13:50:00 From tichure : which of course 13:50:09 From tichure : is a different way to translate a movie 13:50:55 From Jessika : okay, thank you. 13:51:40 From tichure : Jessika, you might also be inclined to do a Marxist criticism from your special-effects person or group. If you like podcasts, you might check out postmortem with Mick Garris 13:52:38 From tichure : who is a director who analyzes different movies, especially within the horror genre 13:52:50 From tichure : which brings me to my next topic 13:52:59 From tichure : there are two general categories of secondary source (research) material 13:53:13 From tichure : the first is direct analysis, in which the work itself is being analyzed by the article or podcast or YouTube interview that you’re watching 13:53:33 From tichure : it is very helpful to have a DVD of whatever you want to analyze because the extras on it will essentially help you with your Marxist criticism, as well as other elements of the translation. 13:53:46 From tichure : You will have to sift through all the movie REVIEWS in order to find the movie analyses 13:54:12 From tichure : the second type of analysis is contextual. These are articles, essays and documents that discuss the thing the movie is about but does not discuss the movie 13:54:35 From tichure : if your movie is about stalkers, you need statistical information about stalkers or the people who try to find them or people who been victims of them 13:54:54 From tichure : this is helpful with historical and gender analysis, as well as having you information about what the director is talking about. 13:55:32 From tichure : If your movie is about adolescent witches who leave home in order to hone their craft, you need to understand something not only about witchcraft in general, but perhaps the specific cultural witchcraft that is being portrayed in the movie 13:56:05 From tichure : you want a mixture of both of these types of analyses because not only will they help you write your paper, but they may also provide insight into the movie you’re analyzing will make it a bit easier for you to understand the various contexts, some of which you might’ve missed in the original viewing 13:56:14 From tichure : so 13:56:16 From Austin : How useful would the source of the adaptation be? For example, how much use as a secondary source will Stephen King's book help me? Or because it has a different artistic vision, should I avoid using it? 13:56:42 From Faith : I haven't gone too much in the research process yet. but I intend to look into the aftermath of 9/11, since the movie takes place after that time. also I wrote a research paper on American Pie last semester 13:56:44 From Faith : sorry for the delayed response 13:56:55 From tichure : actually Austin, adaptation has to do with a Marxist analysis of the movie 13:57:04 From Austin : Ooh, okay. 13:57:06 From tichure : the differences between what the book presented and with the movie presented has to do with the directors choices 13:57:45 From tichure : and so you’re using the book as a starting point as to what the director did that is not in or is in the book as part of your Marxist criticism when you explain what the author was trying to do, trying to say, and how he or she did it. 13:58:07 From Austin : Awesome, thank you. 13:58:24 From tichure : You might also use that book as a resource if you choose to do Stephen King’s response to 13:58:27 From tichure : kubrtick 14:00:11 From tichure : Stanley Kubrick’s version as well as interview with the author 14:00:14 From tichure : as a reader response 14:00:25 From tichure : because of course the writer of the original book material has a very unique vision and reaction to a movie that no one else will have 14:00:29 From Austin : Yeah, he hated it. 14:00:33 From tichure : indeed 14:00:42 From Austin : There's also the TV miniseries. 14:00:43 From tichure : which is great for you because he really talked about it a lot 14:00:50 From tichure : yes 14:01:02 From tichure : now you don’t want to go down the rabbit hole of explaining what King then did with his own version in response. You’re simply 14:01:20 From tichure : explaining what King’s reaction and response was to Kubrik’s movie 14:01:32 From tichure : so 14:01:50 From tichure : we are here for two hours (if you want) and basically what I would have you do is a group is look through the items on the list 14:01:57 From tichure : has everybody found the list? If you haven’t, let me know 14:02:21 From tichure : and begin discussions either in your own head or maybe with the voices in your head or perhaps with other students as to ideas and such. If you want to do something is not on the list, now’s the time to ask me 14:02:32 From tichure : if you want to do something that is on the list, we can have a brief discussion about the ways that you would go about it. 14:02:43 From tichure : So I will hang loose here 14:02:58 From tichure : and let you folks do some work. Of those who chosen something, hit me up. 14:03:11 From tichure : By next week, I will expect that you have chosen something 14:03:24 From tichure : you may need to change it once you start doing your annotated worksite assignment, you should’ve chosen something just to get the ball rolling 14:03:36 From alex : since I took horror lit last semester, is the basis of the paper the same just focused on films that aren't horror? i just wanna make sure that i'm relatively on the right track when thinking about what film to choose. 14:03:41 From tichure : Austin, faith, do you have the DVD of the movie that you intend to do 14:03:57 From Austin : I believe so. 14:04:01 From tichure : you can actually do a horror movie, Alex, but you just can’t send the same paper that you did already 14:04:24 From alex : yes of course 14:04:25 From tichure : besides the DVD extras, you may find many of the interviews and stuff that are on the DVD online posted to YouTube. 14:04:50 From tichure : In many cases, while the movie itself is carefully protected by the distributors and the company, very often extras do not concern them because people don’t pay for the is per se the same way that they pay for a movie. 14:05:08 From Faith : yes i do 14:05:10 From tichure : There are also many excellent LITERARY and serious podcasts on movies available 14:05:18 From tichure : very often, they either go by genre, director or movie 14:05:42 From tichure : and you can get some excellent information, not only historical background etc. etc. but also very often interviews with the major players or with substantial critics 14:05:53 From tichure : remember were talking about literary criticism here, no movie review. 14:06:10 From tichure : Movie reviews on things like people magazine and USA Today. Their audience wants to know whether or not this would be a good popcorn movie orbits okay for the kids. 14:06:48 From tichure : When somebody writes about a movie in GQ, Cosmopolitan, Rolling Stone, Ebony, Playboy, Jet etc., they are discussing the work within a specific cultural context that is their audience 14:07:03 From tichure : you’re looking for reviewers like Roger Ebert, who won a Pulitzer Prize for movie criticism 14:07:10 From Jennifer : I was over complicating on what I needed to write about thank you so much for this clarification 14:07:35 From tichure : Pauline kale, Tim Cogshell, 14:07:53 From tichure : in fact, you might want to check out NPR because they do a movie review program every Friday 14:07:56 From tichure : and they are archived 14:08:14 From tichure : and your movie is likely to be in there and will be translated from at least three different people who are all analyzing it from a more literary perspective than a fan-based perspective. 14:08:41 From tichure : And the broad range, from the African-American, Latino, Chinese, Japanese, LGBTQ perspectives 14:08:53 From tichure : this is especially likely for wide release works 14:09:25 From tichure : but they also cover the Cannes film Festival, animation festivals, and foreign films specifically 14:09:35 From tichure : as well as independent works. 14:10:12 From tichure : In Austin’s case, he has the benefit of having a living author who responded strongly to the movie that was made from his story, which is another excellent resource and translation 14:11:40 From Jessika : would I be using historical or cultural criticism in terms of discussing the significance of ww2 in American werewolf? 14:11:43 From tichure : anyway now I really will lay out 14:12:23 From tichure : Historical criticism is a critical perspective is going to explain the historical context and realities for the specific culture that is depicted at the time that it is depicted 14:13:31 From Faith : all of my concerns so far have been answered. thank you professor! 14:13:38 From tichure : is objective in the sense that it simply explains the context of a movie 14:13:47 From tichure : a cultural perspective is a response to the movie 14:13:55 From tichure : is a discussion of how a specific culture is going to respond to the movie on two levels 14:14:00 From tichure : and this applies to feminist criticism as well 14:14:10 From tichure : the first is whether or not they agree that was portrayed in the movie actually happens 14:14:37 From tichure : this is not a discussion necessarily about whether or not they like or dislike what happens 14:14:49 From tichure : the second is whether they like the editorial portrayed in the movie. 14:15:24 From tichure : Take for example “get out” 14:15:35 From tichure : obviously different cultures are going to respond to the message that is presented in the movie 14:16:23 From tichure : However, you may also find specific cultures that denied that what was portrayed in the actually happens, beyond supernatural weird stuff 14:17:42 From tichure : so therefore you can do both historic and cultural criticism 14:18:01 From tichure : in fact, your entire paper could be four different cultural analyses from four different cultures 14:19:42 From Jessika : okay, this really helped, thank you very much! 14:33:15 From tichure : any questions about what you need to do? 14:33:54 From Austin : Not really. The Annotated Bibliography is due when? 14:34:24 From tichure : it’s on Canvas, but figure in the next week or so 14:34:41 From tichure : so start asap 14:34:49 From tichure : and see what you find 14:35:06 From Austin : Okay, got ya. And we should be seeking different critical perspectives to include in said assignment correct? 14:36:31 From tichure : yes, but to start you only need two. you will likely get some ideas as well as you read analyses 14:36:45 From Austin : Awesome! 14:37:12 From Austin : Well I don't really have any other questions. 14:37:37 From tichure : great 14:37:49 From tichure : go to it. i will be back tuesday 14:38:00 From Austin : Awesome! 14:37:49 From tichure : poof