- You joined the Main Room. ( 7:30 PM ) - - Your chat permission has been enabled. ( 7:30 PM ) - tichure 7:27 PM im back sorry tech probs 7:27 PM apyoon 7:31 PM No worries. tichure 7:31 PM s o 7:31 PM paper topic. 7:31 PM wise to choose a canon work 7:32 PM apyoon 7:32 PM So I was interested in analyzing the archetypes in The Mist. tichure 7:32 PM that you find plenty of credibl;e analysis for in gale right 7:32 PM apyoon 7:32 PM But more so how the horror in it works because it often subverts our typical expectations for archetypes and the journey of the hero tichure 7:32 PM for presentation apyoon 7:33 PM I was also interested in talking about the role religion plays in the story. tichure 7:33 PM that woudl be diff sounds liek you have enough fro a paper 7:33 PM for 7:33 PM btw 7:33 PM we are talking BOOK right> 7:33 PM not movies 7:33 PM > 7:33 PM apyoon 7:34 PM Ideally I'd like to analyze the book but switch out its ending for the movie's. But yeah, the book. 7:34 PM tichure 7:34 PM Well no, don't do that. Those are two separate works. apyoon 7:35 PM I'm not entirely sure how to tie all my ideas together either. So far I kind of want to talk about Jung and his stuff, religion, fear of the unknown, and King's own 3 types of horrror. 7:36 PM *horror 7:36 PM I guess fear of unknown would be more of a broad, Lovecraft/existential horror deal. 7:36 PM But I don't know what kind of thesis would tie all that together. 7:37 PM tichure 7:37 PM well here's the deal you don't write the thesis until you're done with your critical perspectives 7:38 PM and the thesis may just generally be that when analyzed through three critical perspectives the work has three different meanings 7:38 PM instead what you do is you attack the three individual arguments and find evidence for them first 7:38 PM worry about the introduction later 7:38 PM apyoon 7:39 PM Got it. I think I'm getting caught up on the 3 different critical perspectives thing. 7:40 PM Just examining the presence of religion/fear of unknown throughout the novella, I don't really know what perspective that would fall under. 7:41 PM tichure 7:41 PM well again, it sounds like you have the idea for mythological criticism which would be either Campbell or Jung you want to discuss King's own methodology, which is Marxist criticism 7:41 PM and media cultural response of some kind. If you do a religious perspective, you would find a VERY specific religion, not just Christianity, but a specific sect that has particular beliefs that would either like or dislike this story for various reasons, including the portrayal of religious people, the use of fantasy, and the lack of Jesus as a positive figure in the story 7:42 PM apyoon 7:42 PM I haven't seen the video on Marxist Criticism yet, so I should probably do that. tichure 7:42 PM you can also apply this to a religion that might agree with the story and find the creatures to be part and parcel of their own belief system Marxist criticism is simply a focus on the authors methodology and message. what Was the author saying in this particular work and What was the means by which he is doing it? Who is his intended audience and how do you know? 7:43 PM apyoon 7:44 PM I feel like that would tie in with religion very much. tichure 7:45 PM well of course it does. but it has a lot to do with the religion that you choose. There are some religions that believe in various creatures etc. that would fit very well in this, and of course there are those who believe in apocalyptic vision that would fit this. However, their very conservative versions of religion, Christianity included, that are very wary and critical of any work that incorporates fantasy. They consider it to be work of the devil. It really depends on the religion they choose 7:45 PM that you choose 7:45 PM as the focal point of your analysis. 7:45 PM apyoon 7:45 PM Does Marxist criticism necessarily have to emphasize socioeconomic/class issues? Or any message in general that the author is trying to convey 7:46 PM tichure 7:46 PM No any message 7:46 PM apyoon 7:46 PM Gotcha. tichure 7:47 PM very often there is a socioeconomic class issue, but in this story the only class division is between the government which is screwed everything up and the rest of us who have to suffer the consequences. King does often focus on socioeconomic differences. If you read a story like under the dome, the rich guy is clearly an ass hole who is ruining everything for everybody else and of course uses his power to try to run the town while his son uses his power to rape and pillage literally. 7:47 PM However, you don't see that in this story because what you get are a bunch of middle-class working-class people all put together. Some folks try to claim authority through religion and other means, but really this is about a bunch of people all thrown together with no specific authority figure or social status hierarchy. 7:47 PM apyoon 7:48 PM I suppose there's a little of that with the store owner initially trying to wield that authority. tichure 7:49 PM sure but how does king prtray that authority 7:50 PM and how are we supposed to feel about it 7:50 PM apyoon 7:50 PM When I was talking about King's 3 types of horror though, I was referring to how he divides horror into "gross-out," "horror," and "terror." But I don't know if that's substantial enough for the paper. I would use King's "Dance Macabre" as a source, but is that even a critical approach? 7:52 PM tichure 7:53 PM yes marxist 7:53 PM When you identify the authors perspective and opinion and then you show how the author actually presents that in a work of art, you are applying Marxist criticism 7:53 PM apyoon 7:54 PM Still a little confusing to me to be honest, but I think I can figure it out. tichure 7:55 PM well the point is is that you have to start somewhere and where I would start with is going to the live guides on the citrus college library and find the mythological archetypal resources that the library has compiled for my courses and begin by applying the mythological archetypes to your work 7:55 PM and that will be one paragraph quite long actually 7:55 PM likely about two or three pages or so 7:55 PM apyoon 7:56 PM Is there a page with instructions on how to access these resources? tichure 7:58 PM look. When you first contacted me, I sent you two emails. One of them was general information on how to access canvas and my website. The second was a series of logins that you needed, one of them being the virtual library card that you should use every semester. You go to a library website which of course is the citrus library website and you create that library card and once you do that you have access to all these databases That virtual library card will also give you access to things like Ebscohost etc. 8:00 PM apyoon 8:00 PM Understood. Sorry, this is my second semester at Citrus and my first semester hardly made any use of online resources. It's taking me a while to adjust. tichure 8:01 PM that's okay. You'll get plenty of opportunity to play with this stuff as you go through your college career. Even on-campus courses require that you use these resources. Here's your opportunity to get your feet wet 8:01 PM apyoon 8:02 PM This is also my last semester at Citrus, fortuneately and unfortunately. All going well that is. 8:02 PM tichure 8:03 PM Well, this is going to be the same thing every school you go to. Ebsco is a standard resource in every college in the United States Gale generally is to 8:03 PM too 8:03 PM apyoon 8:03 PM That's good to know. Additionally, your office hours are M-Th 2:40-3:30, correct? 8:03 PM I stopped by today and I think Tuesday last week around 2:40 but I might've missed you. 8:04 PM tichure 8:06 PM well, sometimes I get held up from my class that ends at 230 I am generally there from 240 to 330. I was there on Tuesday but I did get held up by late students after class apyoon 8:08 PM Got it. tichure 8:08 PM anyway, if you get there 240 and I'm not There it means I'm not there yet. If you know your going to come by, let me know and I will tell you if I have a meeting, like I did today. apyoon 8:09 PM Understood, thank you. tichure 8:09 PM your welcome apyoon 8:10 PM I think I've got more than enough to work with for now. tichure 8:10 PM I think that you should strongly consider doing the mist or some Stephen King work as your main paper. Maybe choose something a bit less mainstream for the presentation, something that perhaps other students may not be aware of or have been exposed to. I'll be around in the following weeks to talk to you about your analyses as you develop them. Feel free to stop by either my office or this chat. 8:10 PM apyoon 8:11 PM Oh I think I've completely misunderstood the presentation. Different topic from our paper topic then? 8:11 PM tichure 8:11 PM yes apyoon 8:11 PM I'll try to come up with something by tomorrow afternoon for that then. Is email the best way to contact you? tichure 8:12 PM and also, unlike the paper topic, which I must have either read or seen or whatever because I'm evaluating it on a literary analysis perspective, your presentation is going to be something that you are guessing that NO one has seen and therefore you're going to give us, in about five sentences, the entire plot, spoilers included and then apply a single critical perspective. Sure 8:12 PM but you have all semester to decide and present the presentation unless you already chose this week to make a presentation 8:12 PM apyoon 8:12 PM I chose week 10 but I don't know if I'm on the calendar for then. I got confused because I saw people posting their research paper topics with either one or no critical approaches, as well as stating which week they want to present. 8:14 PM tichure 8:15 PM Yes. They are choosing a particular week because I don't want to read all of these in week 15. I am asking people to keep it to a maximum of four presentations per week apyoon 8:16 PM Well for instance, one of the posts reads: I would like to present my research topic on week 14. I would like to do Silence of the Lambs directed by Jonathan Demme. I'm thinking this person's thinking the same way I did, that the paper and presentation are on the same topic. 8:16 PM tichure 8:17 PM I'm not getting that information, but now you not have the conversation YOU know what you're supposed to do which is what counts. apyoon 8:17 PM Indeed. Well, thank you very much for your time then. 8:18 PM tichure 8:18 PM anyway, start your research process. Choose a critical perspective and began getting the information that you need. You're welcome. 8:18 PM I'll be here next week. 8:18 PM apyoon 8:18 PM I'll get started. Thanks and good night. tichure 8:18 PM take care poof