11:37:23 tichure : hey now folks. let’s let a few more straggle in 11:38:27 tichure : in the meantime, did you watch the movie for the week? 11:38:49 Taylor : No I didn’t 11:38:55 Taylor : Where do you find it? 11:39:23 tichure : everything is in the Canvas modules each week, Taylor 11:39:57 Taylor : Ok I found it 11:40:04 Taylor : My bad. Sorry professor 11:40:20 tichure : you do need to establish your virtual library card, as Kanopy is provided by the school 11:40:29 tichure : its ok. we have time 11:40:33 Taylor : Ok will do 11:40:53 Logan : I haven't had a chance to, but I have time in between my second and third classes today. I plan to watch it then. 11:41:23 Taylor : Also we are only meeting on Mondays right? On the Englit guy page that we are supposed to save, it only said Mondays 11:42:40 tichure : for now, yes. if it looks like that people are interested or need be Wednesday time, we can set it up 11:43:04 Taylor : Ok thank you professor 11:43:10 tichure : my pleasure 11:43:28 tichure : okay folks let’s have a general conversation about how this’ll work 11:43:51 tichure : now theoretically, everybody who signed up for this course, with things being normal, would’ve been required to be in a classroom today at 1130 11:44:22 tichure : the reality is that we have a new reality in and for many individuals, getting here regularly or on time is is going to be a problem 11:44:42 tichure : that’s why I use the text chat. Our conversation can be helpful for those who cannot be here 11:45:02 Taylor : Also how do we pronounce your last name? Is it E-land or Eye-land or another way? I just dont want to pronounce your name wrong? 11:45:09 tichure : what we are going to do here is cover two general things 11:45:20 Taylor : Sorry didn’t mean to put the ? At the end. 11:46:28 tichure : technically Taylor the Dutch version is more like Aylond, but the family usually says Eyelind 11:46:37 tichure : like the small body of land surrounded by water 11:47:04 tichure : but if people say eland, I figure they are talking to me anyway 11:47:09 tichure : and I don’t take offense either way 11:47:14 Taylor : Ok thank you 11:47:20 tichure : if you got a funny name, you gotta give people some slack 11:47:26 tichure : anyway, 11:47:33 tichure : our primary focus here is going to be two basic things 11:47:46 tichure : one is understanding material, which we will do through the analysis of the movies that you’re supposed to watch each week 11:47:55 tichure : the second is talking about your research paper specifically 11:48:05 tichure : in order to do the first thing, you have to see the movies each week 11:48:27 tichure : one way to facilitate that is to have perhaps one or two or even maybe three people volunteer to be the presenters for the movies 11:49:26 tichure : your job would be to set up some of the information, such as the production information (when it was made, where it was made, the director, any major or minor actors etc.) and of course to start the conversation by applying some critical analysis (feminist criticism, cultural criticism etc.) 11:50:08 tichure : the other option is that we all watch them and then I do my usual thing which is going to be to ask you questions as to how we can analyze the work. That would mean everybody should be figuring out when the movie was made, the director is, any major actors etc. 11:50:24 tichure : most of which can be found on IMDb and other various resources, especially TCM for some of the older movies 11:50:31 tichure : and that’s entirely up to you. 11:51:00 tichure : Since I already know that not everybody watched breathless, we will hold that for next time 11:52:06 tichure : but if anybody wants to volunteer to take the lead on the conversation for one of the movies in the calendar, let me know. In fact, I would have used scan canvas modules (or the calendar in the syllabus in the first module)) and claim something if you are inclined to be a presenter. Like I said, an individual can do it or group can 11:52:31 tichure : but understand that regardless as to whether you folks are being presenters or I take the lead, this will be a discussion 11:53:50 Corey : Breathless? Is that on Canvas like Nosferatu is? I don't see it on mine, only the reading assignments for week 1 11:55:23 Atulya : its on week 1 11:55:34 Atulya : section 11:56:02 tichure : because this is about translation, and you practicing the critical theories on these movies because this is not a film appreciation course in which I tell you what a movie means 11:56:11 tichure : yes Corey 11:56:25 tichure : thanks Atulya 11:56:42 tichure : so 11:56:47 tichure : take 10 minutes 11:57:11 tichure : and look through the movies by looking at the calendar or going week by week through the modules. You may be familiar with something 11:57:36 tichure : and you may not want to present anything at all. It’s up to you. But if somebody wants to indeed take the lead on something, let me know and that way everyone people want to do the same movie, I could put you together 11:58:00 tichure : and just be aware that I need you to watch breathless for next Monday 11:58:22 Taylor : I will do M by Fritz Lang 11:58:44 tichure : interesting choice Taylor. Have you seen it before? 11:58:54 Corey : I'm sorry but on my Canvas page I only have "Night Surf" and the "Roots of Gothic Horror" which I read both. Is Breathless under a different heading in Week 1? 11:59:20 Taylor : No but it seems interesting to me so I want to learn more about it 12:00:44 Atulya : could I do dial m for murder 12:00:57 Taylor : Go to the modules and look at the weeks and each week will have the films for the week 12:01:27 tichure : Yes atulya 12:05:47 Sammy : Can I do Hard day night, 12:05:53 tichure : yes Sammy 12:08:47 tichure : folks, if you want to claim the work or even look for partners for review, I’ve created a “in class presentation” discussion module in week one 12:09:05 tichure : that we make a decision later on about doing something, you can post it there 12:09:10 tichure : and then we will start discussing breathless next week 12:09:17 tichure : so now let’s talk about the paper 12:09:31 tichure : this week, you need to make the decision as to what you’re going to write a research paper on. 12:09:43 tichure : And the first thing you’re going to do to indicate to yourself and to me that it was a good choice is to create the annotated works cited 12:10:22 tichure : annotated works cited is a list of works, which not only include the primary source (the movie or analyzing) but also at least one biography of the director, some direct analysis of the movie, and some contextual material 12:10:41 tichure : contextual material is information from research that explains the context of the movie or story. 12:10:44 tichure : For example 12:10:53 tichure : somebody mentioned M by Fritz Lang 12:11:29 tichure : M is a German movie starring Peter Lorre about a suspected murderer of children 12:11:52 tichure : contextual information would be statistical data on the prevalence and behavior of such individuals 12:12:10 tichure : breathless also deals with crime, and is set in France in the 1950s 12:12:23 tichure : information about France postwar as well is with the nature of the crimes presented in the movie are contextual data 12:12:39 tichure : your research paper is going to be a series of critical analyses, each one of them translating the work differently 12:13:04 tichure : and the purpose of the annotated work cited is to start gathering all kinds of information to see what you have before you decide which critical perspectives apply and which do not 12:13:22 tichure : any questions about the annotated work cited so far 12:13:53 Taylor : Not yet 12:14:19 tichure : thank you Taylor. has everyone chosen a topic for the research paper 12:14:30 Atulya : no 12:14:42 Taylor : Does the topic have to be film related or just a topic in general 12:14:48 tichure : It’s time to do so AR 12:15:02 tichure : it has to be a film or least video related 12:15:09 Taylor : ok 12:15:28 tichure : remember, the purpose of the course is that we are treating cinema as literature (which of course it is because generally it is storytelling) 12:15:32 Atulya : wait can we pick the same movie for our reaserach paper 12:15:38 Atulya : or no 12:15:40 tichure : but it has the added notion of the visual and audio content 12:15:44 Logan : Does the research paper have to be on a film we watch in class, or any other film we happen to enjoy? 12:16:05 tichure : yes Ravi, more than one of you can do the same movie for your paper. In fact I would encourage that so that you work together 12:16:20 tichure : it is not something that you will watch in class Logan. 12:16:31 tichure : It should be from the list that I gave you or something that you clear with me before you begin 12:16:36 tichure : if it’s not on that list 12:16:43 Logan : Thank you. 12:16:56 tichure : do not choose something from the calendar. The purpose of the calendar material is for all of us to practice the critical theories, but I do not want anybody writing a paper based on class discussions 12:17:08 Taylor : Wait so we can do the research paper with someone or just the presentation 12:17:19 tichure : Taylor, let me clarify 12:17:53 tichure : everyone must do a research paper. You may do the same topic/ movie as anybody else for the research paper but each of you is writing your own research paper. You would work with someone in order to gather resources and to have someone to help you proofread because they would understand the subject matter. But each of you will write your own individual research paper 12:18:31 tichure : the presentation is due at the end of the semester, which will be posted on campus, is an assignment that you will do on a topic that nobody else does because it is a public presentation in terms of the class, unlike the research paper, which only I read. 12:18:54 tichure : And then what I just asked you to do about presenting the course material during class time, that’s just part of having class discussion rather than having me direct things. That’s why said you can either choose to do something or you can not choose to do it. 12:19:04 tichure : But the research paper and the end of class presentation is assignment that is graded and is required 12:19:13 tichure : and the annotated work cited concerns the research paper which is the majority of your grade 12:19:48 Taylor : Ok. And it cant be a movie from the calendar correct? 12:19:56 tichure : in fact I’ll probably change the reference to the presenting the movie during the course of the semester to something that makes it clear that it’s different from the in class presentation due at the end of the semester 12:20:14 tichure : Terry, you are correct. your research paper should not be from calendar 12:20:29 tichure : if anybody is chosen something for the research paper, please let me know 12:20:48 tichure : Taylor, you are correct. Your research paper should not be from the calendar 12:21:05 Atulya : where is the list for the the topics we can pick for the research paper 12:21:11 tichure : by way folks, I use Dragon speak. It doesn’t always say what I want it to say. If something comes out as gibberish, let me know 12:21:55 tichure : it is linked in the assignment for paper one in the modules, as well as in the description of the assignments 12:22:31 Taylor : Ok so just to clarify. We are going to choose a topic and use a film to provide our evidence for the topic but it cannot be a movie that we are viewing as a class 12:23:02 Sammy : I have my movie topic for my research essay already 12:23:13 tichure : http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/resource/paperlistmovie.htm 12:23:27 tichure : that is correct tailor 12:23:32 tichure : Taylor 12:23:39 tichure : Sammy, what did you have in mind 12:23:50 Sammy : The Graduate 12:24:00 tichure : excellent. 12:24:34 Atulya : i was thinking of doing ghost in the machine 12:24:42 tichure : so obviously, you’re going to be looking for ANALYSIS of that movie (not just movie reviews, which we will discuss shortly), as well as information about the director, and information about the era and place. 12:25:41 tichure : Well that’s an interesting choice Atulya, and you also would need information about your director, as well as contextual information about robotics and such, but because your work is fantasy, you will have a bit harder time finding historical context, although the battle with technology is something that you can use. We can develop it more as we go along. 12:25:48 Logan : I've narrowed my choices down to two directors, but I haven't made a choice yet 12:25:58 tichure : Well you have time Logan 12:26:19 tichure : but for all of you, the litmus test as to whether or not it is a good idea to pick the movie that you did has to do with the annotated work cited. 12:26:32 Taylor : Can I do one flew over the cuckoos nest 12:26:33 tichure : Because if you can’t find enough information to do the annotated works cited, it’s likely that you’ve chosen something that will be difficult to research 12:26:46 tichure : sure Taylor 12:26:58 tichure : yours does have historical context, because it’s about both journalism and mental institutions in California 12:27:31 tichure : and so you would have the opportunity to discuss from a historical perspective the accuracy of the film in depicting mental institutions 12:27:40 tichure : for male patients by way 12:27:50 tichure : and of course information about the director 12:27:54 tichure : and direct analyses of the movie 12:27:58 Atulya : does the goodfellas have good sources and annotation works to find? 12:28:16 tichure : well Atulya, yes because it’s about the Italian Mafia in the United States 12:28:27 tichure : as well as the influence of the Mafia in the creation and running of Las Vegas 12:28:47 Atulya : then i might do that instead because it will be easier for me 12:28:53 Atulya : or at least easier 12:28:59 Atulya : to find sources 12:29:00 Atulya : for 12:29:23 tichure : Good fellows was also based on a book written by a guy who turned states evidence against him off here. He was a higher time and who was arrested and decided to work with federal government instead of going to jail 12:30:35 tichure : in fact all of the gangster movies, whether it’s about tying gangs, early American Irish gangs, Asian gangs, Latino gangs etc. is good material because you have plenty of statistical information provided by law enforcement, as well as information from the cultures themselves written by the people who were there. All of this can be helpful in creating analysis 12:30:40 Atulya : that's actually interesting . is it required for the reasech apper that we watch the whole movie . or just use our preeception based on sources and reviews? 12:31:01 tichure : also, as responses to these movies, you have those groups were affected by these presentations because they feel that it narrows the perception of culture down to one criminal element. 12:32:05 tichure : for those of you who chosen a topic, get started on that research collection 12:32:26 tichure : remember that your annotated work cited is a list with a description of each item what it is, whether it is the movie itself, it is some kind of historical information, whether it’s a review of the movie etc. 12:32:51 tichure : and for those of you have not chosen a topic, it’s now time to make that choice and then to begin that data collection process. It is possible that you will have to change your choice because you cannot find enough research information 12:33:52 tichure : and is everybody clear that we are doing breathless next week 12:33:56 Atulya : yup 12:34:20 Taylor : yup 12:34:21 tichure : by the way, that movie was remade in the United States with Patrick Swayze 12:34:34 tichure : which brings up the topic 12:34:36 Sammy : yup 12:34:55 tichure : of whether or not another version of the movie is relevant to your analysis 12:35:00 tichure : and the answer is yes in this context only 12:35:17 tichure : for example if you want to do an analysis of goddard’s breathless 12:35:41 tichure : one of your critical analyses would be a reader response by the director of the new version of the movie 12:36:08 tichure : in which you explain with the new director did with the old story to make it into the new story, including any changes etc. and EXPLAINING WHY that director did that, which would be in the extras for that remake 12:36:11 tichure : on the other hand 12:36:40 tichure : if you were focusing on the new version of breathless, you make reference to the old movie in the Marxist criticism and which are explaining where the director got the idea for the movie that you’re analyzing, some which of course would come from that director watching the original movie 12:37:05 tichure : but I don’t want you to be focusing your paper on comparing it to other movies. 12:37:17 tichure : That’s more like a film appreciation class 12:37:30 tichure : so if your work is either a remake 12:37:47 tichure : or has been remade, you will find a single opportunity in one of your four critical perspectives to analyze two against each other 12:38:05 tichure : someone mentioned cuckoo’s nest 12:38:29 tichure : one for the cuckoo’s nest was written by Ken Kesey, one of the central characters in what became the psychedelic movement as an offshoot of the beats in San Francisco 12:39:10 tichure : he wrote this book and it made him famous and rich and off to hang out with the Grateful Dead and others and to be a major part of a societal movement. 12:39:34 tichure : Discussing the translation from the book to the movie, which is called adaptation, is discussed in your Marxist analysis of the director’s version of the movie. 12:39:50 tichure : Which brings me to another thing in terms of resources 12:40:10 tichure : if you have the DVD for movie, it comes with extras. Listening to the director discuss the movie as it plays is valuable information and is a secondary source 12:40:27 tichure : that is helpful for a Marxist criticism because the directors explaining what they were trying to do, which is exactly what a Marxist criticism is when you’re focusing on director intent 12:40:30 tichure : so 12:40:33 tichure : look for YouTube videos 12:40:36 tichure : with the director 12:40:53 tichure : discussing not only their specific approach to the movie that you’re focusing on, but also discussing their general approach to moviemaking, which will be relevant for that particular argument 12:41:06 tichure : this will be a lot harder for early directors like Fritz Lang 12:41:32 tichure : but much easier for any director who is still alive or was at least alive through the 1990s and was videotaped on a TV show or by some other means discussing the movie directly 12:41:47 tichure : there’s a lot of such material for things like Goodfellows and such 12:41:53 tichure : and I know it’s Goodfellas 12:41:58 tichure : but my Dragon speak doesn’t always say that 12:42:02 tichure : stupid Dragon 12:42:05 tichure : anyway 12:42:11 tichure : everybody clear about your first assignment 12:42:15 tichure : and what you’re going to be doing 12:42:19 Atulya : yes 12:42:27 Logan : Yes, thank you. 12:42:29 Taylor : For the most part yes** 12:42:53 Atulya : so for this week focus on watching breathless 12:42:54 Atulya : ? 12:42:56 tichure : now every Wednesday evening between 7 and 9 PM, there is a general discussion about the research paper. It is for everybody in all my classes and really we focus on gathering information, building the edited works cited, and applying the critical perspectives. 12:43:01 tichure : Yes AV 12:43:20 tichure : watch that movie so that we can use it as discussion next time 12:43:27 tichure : everybody good so far? 12:43:33 Taylor : yes 12:44:03 Sammy : yes 12:44:15 Logan : Yes 12:45:59 Taylor : When is the paper due? 12:46:11 tichure : all due dates are posted in canvas Taylor 12:46:42 tichure : so if you look at the assignment in like week three or four something like that it will have a due date, likely week six or something along those lines 12:46:57 tichure : but was first due is the annotated works cited 12:47:13 tichure : so in either case, you need to get started now 12:47:26 tichure : because you may get halfway through gathering resources and realize you need to change your topic to something more accessible 12:48:13 tichure : So 12:48:28 tichure : make a decision on a movie title. Start gathering resources to see if it works. 12:48:37 Taylor : Ok perfect 12:48:44 tichure : and then we will discuss breathless on Monday 12:48:46 Logan : I think I'm going to do my paper on Young Frankenstein 12:48:49 tichure : everybody good? 12:48:58 Taylor : Yes perfect 12:49:13 tichure : Excellent choice Logan but its Frankensteeen 12:49:19 Logan : Absolutely. Thank you for clarifying everything. 12:49:34 tichure : my pleasure 12:49:34 Logan : I honestly forgot about that joke, it's been awhile since I've seen it 12:50:05 tichure : Hump? what hump? 12:50:24 tichure : okay folks, get to it and I will see you all next week. If you have any questions you can always drop in Wednesday morning or evening and you can always send me an email. 12:50:35 Taylor : Thank you so much professor 12:50:39 Taylor : Have a nice week! 12:50:39 tichure : Otherwise I will send you on your way. 12:50:44 tichure : You’re welcome Taylor. U2 12:50:51 Logan : Thank you again, Doctor Eiland. Have a good *week 12:50:57 tichure : U2 Logan. poof