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Kristen: haha nice. it's all on the englit website. i was confused at first too. i joined a week late


tichure: hey now


tichure: any questions?


Elle: For Response to Poem of choice, do I comment on other people's responses?


Elle: One poem from Calendar:Your choice


tichure: it's not required


Ryan 1: How often are we supposed to do responses on classmates posts?


Elle: I read something about Peer...


tichure: never on Canvas, Elle.  You may do a peer edit on final paper


Ryan 1: Ok. Cool.


Elle: Should the responses be attachments or just typed right in to the box?


Elle: ok


tichure: in the box, elle


tichure:  I have very long postings in there that are no problem


Elle: ok



tichure: as for the responses for those who have been working on it, I will now entertain specific questions about the topic that you've chosen


Ryan 1: Ok.


tichure: elle, what is your topic


Kristen: For the poem response?


Elle: Truckin' by the Grateful Dead


tichure: elle,  what is your secondary source material


tichure:  what critical perspectives are you applying


Elle: Gender critique:  there is nothing mentioned about women in the lyrics


tichure: elle,  then that's probably a poor choice; you are trying to choose critical perspectives that apply to the work, not ones that don't


tichure: what have you found on the lyrics themselves; what is your  secondary source


Elle: Formalist critique mainly


tichure: elle,  that is not an option; it's not on the list


tichure: as I have mentioned before, formalist criticism is what you do in English 101 for an entire semester… there's no need to do that again in this class


tichure: and since you've pointed out that gender doesn't seem to be appropriate although there is a mention of Sweet Jane… she lost her sparkle you know she isn't the same…


Elle: It's a story about the life of a musician on the road


John: Cultural as well.


tichure: and folks, keep in mind that a cultural perspective is how someone from the culture would respond to the work… understanding terminology, making connections with symbolism etc.


tichure: yes elle,  and where did Hunter  come up with the story


Elle: It's a story of his life...over a period of time


tichure: well actually of the band's life… specifically Garcia and Weir... but Hunter would be part of that as well…


Elle: The words are aimed at people of his generation...cultural crit.


tichure: what have you been looking into to get information


Elle: Yes, it is the whole band.


tichure: no elle.  his words aimed at an audience is a Marxist crit.  


tichure: how they RESPOND is a cultural crit....its analyzing the work from a particular culture's perspective… you certainly could choose the culture that is being represented because they would be most likely to understand the lyrical content


tichure: what is busted mean to somebody in that culture


Elle: to get arrested


tichure: exactly


tichure: and what is Bourbon Street


Elle: is an historic street in the French Quarter


tichure: that is known for what


Elle: home to many bars and strip clubs


tichure: what social activities is common on Bourbon Street


tichure: yes


tichure: what are reds


Elle: drugs....uppers


tichure: seconal..a downer, actually


tichure: from a cultural perspective, would the listener from the drug culture understand the idea of “sit and starin out of the hotel window… got a feeling they're gonna kick the door in again”


tichure: have you found David Dodds Grateful Dead  annotated lyrics site?


Elle: yes


tichure: excellent and  have you found biographical information on the band


Elle: yes...Dodds was very helpful


tichure: including the drug busts


Elle: lots of it


tichure: he is a helpful guy


tichure: excellent… remember that I don't want a biography of the band… only relevant information that occurred up to the point that the song was written


tichure: no mention of Jerry Garcia's death or of him getting busted in Golden gate Park asleep in his BMW or something


Elle: yes...


tichure: that occurred later


tichure: sounds like between biographical or Marxist and cultural you have it covered


Elle: ok


Kristen: well.. in the context of this song, drug addicts.


tichure: well  that's where you'll have to split it up… try to get as much straight up factual information as possible… the more factual the website the more likely they have stripped away the legend aspect of it or that they will identify


tichure: what is legendary as legend instead of fact



tichure: elle,  correct and this is where we try to find that in the song



tichure: but if you're going to also do a cultural analysis you need to take it away from the author himself and make it about drug culture and this is where you would find statistical information on drug users and others like them in a way that is reflected in the lyrics of song… in other words, it becomes not about  the author himself but it becomes about drug use


Elle: I can apply that to LSD for my lyric


Elle: ie: stats on LSD


tichure: that is correct Kristin


tichure: but that's biographical


tichure: well actually, the problem with LSD is that it is not addictive for one thing


tichure: and once you're on heroin, it's very difficult to stop… you want to do more and more with less and less result… LSD is the opposite… if you do more and more it'll actually do less and less for you


tichure: take a drug that's more addictive


tichure: that causes lack of interaction


Elle: Back to reds again


Elle: lack of interaction:  marijuana


tichure: elle,  except you don't have the cost, the fear of death nor true addiction...but most importantly, is it mentioned in the song?


tichure: nor do you have consistent lack of interaction… some people use marijuana and are convivial


tichure: it's a mild hallucinogen nowhere near opiates


tichure: even the good stuff these days


tichure: or… so I've heard



Elle: they also used cocaine


tichure: the Grateful Dead song, while it mentions drugs is not about drugs… it is about being on the road but being part of a drug culture at a time when those were largely against law and very profound ways in most areas of the United States


tichure: that is correct Kristin


tichure: Ryan, biographical criticism says that work is about the person who wrote it and a specific experience.  if it is just them explaining their viewpoint on something, that is a MARXIST crit


Elle: "Living on reds, Vitamin C and cocaine all a friend can say....


tichure: aint it a shame....


tichure: elle,  you are going to be talking about broad ranging recreational drug use and the culture surrounding it in the late 60s early 70s


tichure: and you are not really looking at heavy stuff


tichure: Jerry Garcia was not into heroin until the 80s


Elle: My paper focused more on seeing the world


tichure: are looking at marijuana, alcohol and plinking with stuff like cocaine and ludes etc.


tichure: elle,  what critical perspective talks about that


Elle: um...cultural?


tichure: folks, is imperative that you understand the critical perspective did not broaden the understanding of the work, at least individually. Instead, they narrow down the meaning to more specific realm than might otherwise be understood by simply listening to the story


tichure: the culture of seeing the world?


tichure: If you can find a secondary source that talks about the culture of sightseeing or world travel, then you might have something


tichure: to keep in mind that the song itself only mentions American cities


tichure: Chicago New York New Orleans


tichure: Detroit


tichure: Dallas


tichure: elle,  the culture of being in an American rock band might be a more appropriate approach and there are several books written on the subject including “I am with the band”, “2000 motels” and others

Elle: ok




tichure: that's the whole point


tichure: keep in mind that in many cases a biographical criticism is going to be denied strongly by the author


tichure: even more so, a psychoanalytical criticism, which we will get to shortly, will be denied by the author… these critical perspectives are not at the permission of the author… in fact formalist criticism was created by authors as a response to critics reading too much into their work.


tichure: Eventually they began to say… “hey, it's just a story… it's not about me”


tichure: but the reality is you need to understand how these different critical perspectives work because they are still used as  critical analytical tools


tichure: back to my gender question


tichure: gender criticism is a critical perspective that says that a work will be reflective of the roles and stereotypes of genders within your culture…


tichure: is there any evidence that says that the description of the woman


tichure: and you would identify that person is a woman… doll… etc.... is being evaluated based on her gender in terms of what she did and that what she did might be viewed differently if she were a man


tichure: likewise, other elements that this character does that are expected because she's a woman but might be seen differently if she were a man

Sarah: She gets into drugs


Ryan 1: He has a sense of compassion for her

tichure: Sarah, is that a gender-based issue… is that a problem for both men and women

tichure: Good or bad Sarah


Sarah: bad


tichure: exactly


John: I was thinking biographical and cultural.




tichure: biographical criticism does not say that the work is a reflection of the author's belief system… it says that it is a reflection of the author's experience

tichure: if you want to do one based on Christianity, that would be a cultural response from a Christian perspective and you would certainly finds plenty of secondary sources that


John: Okay.


Ryan 1: Haha. O ya


tichure: is a biographical or would a cultural analysis and historical analysis be a better answer


tichure: what you need to statistical historical information


tichure: historical statistics on the era


tichure: including


tichure: police


tichure: arrested/brutality


tichure: drugs


tichure: popular culture


tichure: that is going to give you information that will support analysis of the work


tichure: also a cultural analysis from youth culture will allow you to simply go through the song and explain the terminology


John: Thank you.


tichure: any questions about the paper


John: None at the moment.


tichure: what I'm looking for is your analysis of the work itself which means you will not give me… NOT give me any information historically, biographical he or culturally it is NOT relevant to this song lyric


Elle: no


tichure: do not give me a biography about your author


tichure: do not give me a general history about hippies


tichure: do not give me a general history about drug use in San Francisco


John: I would say Christians to a large degree would have a say about this

tichure: so what would you use for secondary source to respond to this from the cultural aspect of a Christian


tichure: Find biblical references and translate them using the Bible and other Christian works as a secondary source


tichure: that would be your cultural analysis from a Christian perspective


tichure: you could also do a cultural analysis from a non-Christian perspective


John: Okay.


tichure: directly quote from your secondary sources


tichure: cite only direct quotation unless it is a specific statistic that involves a number



tichure: otherwise, give me direct quotation and cite that and simply paraphrase everything else without quotation  or citation


tichure: you must give me at least two secondary sources directly quoted per body paragraph, no exceptions


tichure: you must give me at least two primary text quotes… the poem itself… directly quoted per body paragraph, no exceptions


Ryan 1: Ok Thanks Professor Eiland. Tonight was extremely helpful I'm dead tired so I'm gonna retire early.


tichure: read the rest later Ryan


tichure: your body paragraphs should be 15 to 25 sentences long


tichure: so you're going to give me a quotation from either your primary or secondary texts… or both… every 5 to 7 sentences averaged out


tichure: do not use any quotation in the introduction


tichure: do not use any quotation in the conclusion


tichure: your thesis statement in the introduction should include the author's name, the title of the work and your literary point


Ryan 1: Ok. Thank you.  goodnight everybody


tichure: take care Ryan


John: Thank you Professor.


Elle: ok


meloddye: Thanks professor


tichure: You're welcome melody


tichure: do not give me a list of the points


tichure: background statement can be a definition of your critical perspectives


tichure: on my website under “organization and outlines” you will find examples of introductory paragraphs and conclusion paragraphs for  English 103

tichure: that page is on the paper format and test instruction page


tichure: as is a refresher on how to cite and use primary and secondary sources


tichure: as well as what a Works cited page looks like


tichure: which you will need


tichure: with each paragraph you will name the critical perspective being applied in the first sentence of the paragraph


tichure: such as


tichure: from a biographical perspective, the work begins to tell the story of the author's life…


tichure: or


tichure: from a historical perspective, it becomes clear that the things the author talks about were indeed fact, for example, when it comes to crime statistics… etc.


tichure: you will submit your responses to me on Canvas.  Later on, papers will be sent by email as an attachment..

tichure: englitguy@ EarthLink.net


tichure: double space the paper


tichure: 1 inch margins on the sides and bottom


tichure: one and a half on the top


tichure: used 10 or 12 f verdana or Ariel font


tichure: title page nor works cited page count as a page


tichure: 5 to 7 pages of you analyzing stuff


tichure: plus a Works cited page


tichure: title page optional


tichure: examples of English 103 papers are on my website under paper and test examples


meloddye: On the firstpage do we need to write our name in MLA format?


meloddye: oh never mind then I will check the examples


tichure: melody, you do need to have your name on it… yes


tichure: and you  would be surprised how many people forget that


tichure: formatting counts


tichure: spelling counts


tichure: sentence structure counts


tichure: content counts


tichure: I is a English teacher


tichure: any questions


Elle: no


John: Nope.


tichure: excellent… next week we will discuss some more critical perspectives because we will get ready for the test


Kristen: Nope. this chat cleared up a lot of things for me. thank you!


Sarah: You will return it and we will rewrite it again though right?


tichure: that's why I'm here Kristin… I'm a clearer upper


tichure: hahaha


tichure: yes Sarah…


tichure: unless you get that A  I am expecting from you


Sarah: no comment


tichure: hahahaah


tichure: yes you get a rewriteon paper 1


John: Can we submit rough drafts to you for critique?


tichure: no


tichure: thats the writing lab's area


tichure: or a tutor


tichure: both free


John: Okay.


tichure: to you


tichure: any  other questions


tichure: good Lord, look at the time


meloddye: so after you corect it so send it back we rewrite it and submit it back to you


tichure: yes Melody


tichure: but you only get to improve one full grade, so make that first one the best possible


meloddye: and you give us another grade?


tichure: yes


tichure: brand-new


tichure: not averaged out


tichure: replaced completely


meloddye: thats great!


Sarah: sweet


tichure: I know… I'm a great guy


tichure: hahahah


tichure: , legend in my own mind


meloddye: :)


tichure: any other questions


Elle: not at this time


tichure: watch the due dates for the course and the date i give you for revision


tichure: I will entertain questions only the beginning of chat next week concerning your paper


tichure: so be there and be concise


tichure: or


tichure: send me an e-mail


tichure: have a good week everybody


tichure: stay in touch


Elle: Good night


tichure: take care, l


Kristen: you too! good night!


tichure: thanks Kristin


meloddye: good night


Sarah: Thank you and good night


tichure: by Melody


tichure: you're welcome Sarah


tichure: bye john


tichure: poof