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tichure
7:07 PM
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hey now folks
7:07 PM
how's things coming along
7:07 PM
KC
7:07 PM
getting there
tichure
7:08 PM
KC, what is your primary source and what critical perspectives are you applying on the first paper?
same question to Cassie
7:08 PM
cassie103
7:08 PM
hello, it's happening. I have a few questions ready though
KC
7:08 PM
dear mama by tupac shakur
tichure
7:08 PM
ask away
KC
7:09 PM
and aplying biographical and historical
cassie103
7:09 PM
well that's one of my questions. so for response 2, I did poe. that's not on the list in the description of Paper 1 so I'm a bit confused as to whether or not I have to choose from that list or if I can use poe?
tichure
7:09 PM
KC, what information have you found for the historical criticism?
Cassie, cask of amontillado is one of the choices for paper one.
7:09 PM
cassie103
7:09 PM
praise god
tichure
7:09 PM
Well, it was more my doing, but I appreciate the sentiment.
I think that yellow wallpaper and the cask of amontillado were the two standard literature pieces for fiction.
7:10 PM
KC
7:10 PM
for historical i found statisticla rates for single mothers on welfare
tichure
7:10 PM
The two plays were trifles and Star Wars
and the two poems were la migra and dear mama
7:10 PM
there might've been some else in there too.
7:11 PM
KC, did you narrow it down to African-Americans? Also, did you narrow it down to the 1990s more or less?
7:11 PM
cassie103
7:11 PM
okay so do I take the paragraph I wrote for response 2 and put that in there then write another paragraph with a different critical perspective, orrrr is Paper 1 requiring two different perspectives from response 2?
tichure
7:11 PM
and you can ask your questions now KC
Cassie, the whole purpose of response number two is for me to get a sample of that paper from you in advance and give you feedback. Therefore, I want that body paragraph from response to to be one of the two body paragraphs for paper one
7:12 PM
KC
7:12 PM
yes i was narrowing it down to 1980-1990s since thats the time shakur was younger
i did find information in a chart which i emailed you about.
7:13 PM
tichure
7:13 PM
likewise, the whole purpose of response number three is for me to get a sample paragraph from the final paper, which means you would give me, as the body paragraph of response three, one of the two NEW critical perspectives that you're going to add to paper 1 to create the final draft paper
cassie103
7:13 PM
ok that's what i thought
KC
7:13 PM
so my question is do i use quotations when i translate the stat infomration found in chart?
tichure
7:14 PM
KC, so in answer to your question, I do not want the actual chart or graph in the paper that you give me. Instead, you figure out what it is telling you in terms of numerical statistical value and you report that information and then you cite the author or title of the work where you found that information. If I were to go to your secondary source, I would find that graph and find the same information.
No KC. Statistical information does not require direct quotation. You must cite it, however because I might do research on a group of people and find 25% of them like cheese. You will do the same research on the same group of people (but with different specific individual respondents) and you may find that 28% like cheese. We both publish our findings. They are both valid, but they have slightly different information. That's why these types of research projects get done over and over and over again.
7:15 PM
So Cassie, to finish the point, I basically give you an opportunity to run two of the paragraphs from the final draft of the paper by me for direct response. In addition, of course, you get a chance to revise that first paper after I upgraded it. That givese you plenty of opportunity to know whether or not you're on the right track.
7:16 PM
KC
7:17 PM
understood. thnak you
cassie103
7:18 PM
right. so paper 1: 4 paragraphs. one of them is response 2 applying your feedback, so essentially I am writing 1 new paragraph for that. then response 3 I'm choosing a different perspective from the first 2.
tichure
7:19 PM
Cassie, you are correct
and of course
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cassie103
7:19 PM
so does the final final draft have 3 critical perspectives or 4?
tichure
7:19 PM
4
cassie103
7:19 PM
got it
tichure
7:19 PM
four critical perspectives, six total paragraphs
and of course your making sure that you are not repeating yourself.
7:19 PM
Dear Mama is the only work in this list that is actually biographical and therefore it is the only work that has the fear of a Marxist/biographical crossover.
7:20 PM
cassie103
7:20 PM
right, that'll be fun to deal with
tichure
7:20 PM
obviously, you cannot do both Marxist and biographical criticism for dear mama
moreover, you cannot do a Marxist criticism on a work and then do a cultural response on the same work that has exactly the same belief system.
7:20 PM
KC
7:20 PM
can we use the same source for either biographical or historicla
tichure
7:20 PM
You cannot do a feminist criticism on either Gillman or Glasspell
if you do Marxist on either.
7:20 PM
Casey, I'm not exactly sure what you're asking me.
7:21 PM
KC, my computer my call you Casey.
7:21 PM
Try not to take offense.
7:21 PM
the Dragon is sensitive.
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KC
7:21 PM
no worries.
i love dragon i use it at work
7:21 PM
so i found an interview
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tichure
7:22 PM
Anyway, that also means you cannot do a Marxist perspective on dear mama and do a cultural criticism from a young black man who grew up in poverty with a single mother.
Interviews are awesome Casey
7:22 PM
as long as they are with the person who created the work
7:22 PM
cassie103
7:22 PM
so for poe, I've done Marxist and tied it into Poe's history, but what if I wanted to write a paragraph entirely on his personal experience with aristocratic elitism?
tichure
7:22 PM
they are also great for reader response analyses.
KC
7:22 PM
that can possibly be used for historical and biographical
tichure
7:23 PM
That's still part of the Marxist analysis Cassie. In other words, you can't separate his experience being a subordinate classes and and being constantly reminded of that from the way that he writes about social class. He always presents the aristocracy in a negative way, whether it is Prince Prospero or Fortunato (or even Montresor)
cassie103
7:24 PM
ok so no go on that one, then
tichure
7:24 PM
Casey, are you talking about a secondary source or the primary source?
Cassie, it's not that you can include that information. It's that it is not a separate discussion from other Marxist elements.
7:24 PM
It would just be part of a very long paragraph.
7:24 PM
Remember folks, I'm expecting body paragraphs here to be about 1 1/2 to 3 pages long each.
7:24 PM
KC
7:24 PM
that would be a secondary source
tichure
7:24 PM
These are sophisticated, well supported analyses, often of a rather long piece.
Casey, that is unlikely. Biographical criticism is specifically about the individual who wrote it. Historical criticism is specifically not about that person, but about a group of people and therefore would not mention the author at all.
7:25 PM
I suppose you a resource that would explain that the author is living in existence that is shared by a great number of people and the "great number of people" portion could be used for your historical criticism.
7:25 PM
But you must be careful not to mention the author's own experience in the historical criticism.
7:25 PM
You must also be careful not to focus on the group experience for the biographical criticism.
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KC
7:25 PM
correct thats why i asked
tichure
7:26 PM
That's why I allow you to do biographical and historical. While they explain a similar experience, they are using fundamentally different secondary source material
KC
7:26 PM
oh i see ok ill just use it for biographical .
tichure
7:26 PM
you can find a way to use a resource in both, make sure you adhere to those rules and everything be fine.
KC
7:26 PM
thank you
tichure
7:26 PM
My pleasure
KC
7:27 PM
also, for sources im a bit confused
tichure
7:27 PM
ask away
KC
7:27 PM
i read archived chats and it mentioned we need 10
1 of which primary and 9 seconday
7:27 PM
not sure if i read it right but we dont have to use all 10 correct
7:28 PM
only for our annotated work cited. or can you please explain.
7:28 PM
tichure
7:29 PM
you do not have to use all 10 in your paper
KC
7:30 PM
?is there a minimum
tichure
7:30 PM
The whole purpose of this is to get to the end of the semester and be able to write a four critical perspective paper.. It is very possible that you might even add one or two to the list while you get rid of others that are either redundant or otherwise not useful.
cassie103
7:30 PM
oh yeah and I was wondering what happens if we compile our annotated works cited then change/add/drop sources on our final submission?
oh ok so that's fine
7:30 PM
KC
7:31 PM
so we dont have to turn in the 10 on our annotated correct?
tichure
7:31 PM
The the annotated work cited is a litmus test of sorts to make sure that YOU can find the material necessary to write the paper that you have chosen. Furthermore, it gives me a glimpse at your resources to make sure you're using college-level resources, not random crap off the Internet.
For your final paper, you must have at least two secondary sources for every critical perspective. However, as we've talked about previously, it is possible that a secondary source may serve more than one critical perspective. That means most people will have anywhere between 4 to 8 secondary sources in the final draft.
7:31 PM
cassie103
7:31 PM
makes sense. life would be so easy if wikipedia were a credible source
tichure
7:32 PM
Well There is stuff on Wikipedia that is credible. That's because it is literally plagiarized from other resources. there is also some good research done. Go to the reference page at the bottom of the Wikipedia article and you will find the original resource material that people referred to.
cassie103
7:32 PM
point taken
KC
7:32 PM
thank you for clarifying
cassie103
7:33 PM
ok i have 2 questions about due dates and then I need help with Poe
tichure
7:33 PM
However, because it is a public posting board, there is no vetting to verify that was being claimed is true. When I read several years ago that Johnny Cash had done prison time, which led to Fulsom Prison blues, I realize that people were just throwing random crap on there. I believe that particular claim has been changed, but the inherent weakness of that particular type of resource has not been addressed.
However, it is not entirely not useful. That resource at the bottom in terms of references may give you the material you need in a more valid form.
7:34 PM
Go-ahead Cassie. Jump in any time.
7:34 PM
I can help both of you simultaneously. That's why I address people directly when I answer questions.
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cassie103
7:35 PM
ok haha i don't wanna just dominate the conversation here, but...
anyway
7:35 PM
tichure
7:35 PM
Go-ahead Cassie. Dominate away.
cassie103
7:36 PM
1. the due dates on Canvus are driving me nuts. i realize you adjusted some but it's presenting all over the place, so question #1: Are responses 5 and 3 really both due Feb 8?
tichure
7:36 PM
KC, the same problem goes with fan sites. There is often a mixture of some very good analysis and resource material in a mixture with urban legend and wishful thinking. That's where you have to be careful about choosing online material because very often the person who is explaining some important historical facts about an issue or person may also be throwing in some material designed to raise the credibility or reputation of the individual under discussion.
Cassie No. Response five will be addressed later. I will move it back. The main thing I needed to do was to change the due date on response three because I needed to give you more time to finish the first draft and then began that final draft and have something to submit for a sample from the final paper. Response five will be due probably around the 13th. I'll fix that by tonight
7:37 PM
cassie103
7:38 PM
okay phew!
7:38 PM
tichure
7:38 PM
response six will be adjusted as well.
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KC
7:38 PM
i realized fan sites had different information so i think ill stay away from those. thank you.
KC
7:39 PM
regarding due dates due to an unforseen cisrumstance i was told to submit response 2 on response 3
tichure
7:39 PM
that's correct Casey. Putting material in early is not a problem. As soon as something get submitted a folder, the program tells me to check it.
7:40 PM
cassie103
7:40 PM
oh ok that's what i thought.
KC
7:40 PM
ok so when response 3 is due where would i post it
tichure
7:40 PM
Casey, it is already posted I believe for next week. You can submit to that response folder anytime you want. Somebody already has.
7:41 PM
I need to see that as soon as possible because I need to give feedback on the paragraph before you submit that paper.
KC
7:42 PM
so would i submit response 3 on response 4 due date sine i already used response 3
tichure
7:42 PM
Something along those lines Casey.
7:42 PM
Your likely one of those people who will end up using response number six in order to get your five.
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KC
7:43 PM
got it!
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cassie103
7:44 PM
okay, question #3: for response 4... we are applying either hist, gender, cultural, psychoanylitical, feminist, marxist, or myth to either Trifles or Death of a Salesman in a 3 paragraph essay, correct?
tichure
7:44 PM
hey there Megan
we are discussing the final paper.
7:44 PM
Megan
7:45 PM
ok
tichure
7:45 PM
Yes KC
that is correct.
7:45 PM
cassie103
7:45 PM
ok those are all my non-poe questions
Megan, what are you doing for your final paper?
7:46 PM
tichure
7:46 PM
hahaha
Okay. Any other questions of any kind, poe related or not
7:46 PM
cassie103
7:46 PM
well i'm curious as to what criticisms people usually apply to the cask
Megan
7:47 PM
I dont actually have any questions was just curious how this thing works! I will read the archive
tichure
7:49 PM
sounds good Megan. What are you doing for your research paper?
Megan
7:49 PM
Im not sure to be honest
KC
7:50 PM
for annotated work cited its just a summary of what we found and will use on the paper correct?
id there a minimum number of sentences you want ?
7:50 PM
tichure
7:50 PM
Cassie, In answer to your question, historical, Marxist, psychoanalytical and character, psychoanalytical on author, culturally from a religious perspective, cultural from a secret society (Masons) perspective, among others.
Casey, it really needs to be a sentence. I don't need any quotations. All I really need is a phrase such as " this provides historical information to explain what was going on in the inner cities and 1990s."Or "this is information about the rest cure" or "this is background information on the real murder" and stuff like that.
7:51 PM
KC
7:52 PM
sweet. thanks
tichure
7:52 PM
Megan, you need to decide. Your first draft of the paper is due very soon, and between the first draft and second (final) draft, as well as the annotated work cited and the outline, not to mention the two responses associated with it, your entire grade is hinging on your decision as to what you're doing for your research paper.
Megan
7:52 PM
I guess im just not sure if the final paper is on what I am already working on. La Migra
KC
7:53 PM
my laptop is about to die. will be logging off. thanks again for clarifying and answering my questions.
tichure
7:53 PM
it is also your first paper, response to, response three, and the focus of both the outline and the annotated work cited.
7:54 PM
So you do know what you're writing about.
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tichure
7:54 PM
My pleasure KC
Megan
7:55 PM
Its very hard to keep all your links and homework straight
cassie103
7:55 PM
ok so if i'm to apply a historical perspective, i would be addressing things such as the setting,, historical importance of classes, their outfits, carnivals, etc?
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cassie103
7:55 PM
I agree, Megan, hence my 10,000 questions. The thing you wrote response 2 on, which appears to be La Migra, is also going to be the primary source for response 3, paper 1, and your final draft
tichure
7:56 PM
Hey there, Jennifer, we are discussing your final paper.
cassie103
7:56 PM
right,
tichure?
tichure
7:56 PM
you got it Cassie.
JENNIFER103
7:56 PM
Hello
tichure
7:56 PM
Yes Cassie as well as the nature of the catacomb, the type of wines, including the Sherry from the title, and of course the status of Masons.
You would also explain what Carnival is. Not carnivals, but Carnival
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Mardi Gras
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and the certain Elements of Catholicism, because that's where that comes from.
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tichure
7:57 PM
we also have the inherent nature that the narrative is somebody talking to a person "who knows [his] soul so well"
50 years after the fact.
7:57 PM
Which would likely be a priest
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which means it's probably last rites.
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Which of course brings us to a certain psychoanalytical query.
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if a person is trying to claim that what he did was righteous, why would he be confessing it to a priest? This gets back to a psychoanalytical criticism on character that reveals NOT that he wanted to kill the guy, which is what he declares, but that he actually did NOT want to kill the guy and feels guilty even though he wants us to believe that he was 1) justified and 2) successful, which of course we know neither is true
7:58 PM
this would also explain why he beseech Fortunato to turn back several times
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cassie103
7:59 PM
In the gutenberg ebook thing, i am not seeing anything about 50 years after the fact
tichure
7:59 PM
reminds him that he is loved and "a man to be missed" which of course is a bit of verbal irony because, indeed, he will be missed.
Half a century
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cassie103
7:59 PM
that's what's confusing me, all my sources talk about that and i'm like whatttt
tichure
7:59 PM
it's in the last paragraph
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tichure
7:59 PM
for more than half a century
Cassie, read that last paragraph right now.
8:00 PM
part of understanding the work written in the 1800s is understanding the language particularly. The author is going to use terminology that you may either misunderstand because we use the term in a different way or use a term that you're completely unfamiliar with, like roquelaire, Flambeau or rapier
8:01 PM
you have to look at stuff up.
8:01 PM
Hey Jennifer, what is your term paper on?
8:01 PM
JENNIFER103
8:02 PM
Hello I had a question about the response 4 drama. The three paragraph essay that we are writing for that assignment is it on whats listed on the previous page for example Pastan, "Marks" or Poe, "The Raven"
cassie103
8:02 PM
oh
duh
8:02 PM
tichure
8:02 PM
Neither. Drama is going to be on either of the two plays that you will read during the course of the semester, which would either be trifles or death of a salesman. You can write on either one of them.
I'm guessing you found it Cassie.
8:02 PM
JENNIFER103
8:03 PM
ok thank you.
tichure
8:03 PM
Jennifer, what is your research paper on?
cassie103
8:03 PM
my bronchitis brain skipped right over that haha. ok, i have a pretty good idea of what to do for historical and possibly psycho crit
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JENNIFER103
8:04 PM
My research is also on The Cask of Amontillado
tichure
8:04 PM
Well remember Cassie, psychoanalytical on author will focus on poe's presentation of himself in one or more of the characters.
that means your secondary source material is going to be divided into two groups.
8:04 PM
Hey there Nicole. We are discussing the term papers usual
8:04 PM
as well as anything else you need to get clarified.
8:04 PM
The first group is those who believe that Fortunato is either post foster father John Allen or is one of his literary critics.
8:04 PM
Montresor of course is Poe himself who has been humiliated by them and wants to kill them.
8:05 PM
JENNIFER103
8:05 PM
Cassie`s questions are helping me a lot with my historical perspective because I was kind of stuck on that.
tichure
8:05 PM
The other resource that you will come across is the type in which they believe that Fortunato and Montresor are actually BOTH a growling pole, Winchester being the sober erudite scholar/writer and Fortunato being his drunken foolish other part which ruined his reputation and got him fired from many jobs and also got him kicked out of two prestigious universities
therefore he wants to actually kill the part of himself that has ruined him
8:05 PM
Nycole 1
8:06 PM
Hello. Good evening.
tichure
8:07 PM
your historical criticism is especially useful here because historical criticism is especially useful here because we no longer live in the 1800s. You would explain that these are both men of high social class. They both have service and a large palatial estate. They have their own private burial ground in the catacombs. The difference is one is still very powerful and rich (Fortunato) and the other has fallen on the decline, but not so much that he's lost his high social status. However, he is not as high as Fortunato and unit identified the power and influence of the Masons as well is the notion that back then, once reputation is the most important thing because nobody is going to become actually truly poor. That means it is worth killing somebody if they insult you, but if they Rip you offf for thousands of lira, that is just business.
cassie103
8:08 PM
ok so we have to pick one of those perspectives then? obviously can't do sources from both
tichure
8:08 PM
you obviously need to explain the nature of went and therefore why we have Carnaval/Mardi Gras prior to that. It also explains why the character has chosen this time because it would allow him to disguise himself without question. Notice that his disguise covers his face so if somebody asks "what happened to Fortunato" the best answer would be "I saw him walking with death/and executioner" rather than "I saw you walking with Montresor."
That's a good question Cassie. I suppose you could do both and those would be two separate psychoanalytical criticisms on the author. Those would be two distinctly different paragraphs with different resource material.
8:08 PM
This would be especially useful for the final draft of the paper if having trouble coming up with those last two critical perspectives.
8:08 PM
I will accept both, but I would prefer you don't do both on the first paper
8:09 PM
this also means that you can do a separate psychoanalytical criticism on CHARACTER in which you apply one or both of the following arguments. The first as we discussed earlier, is that the narrator actually did not want to go through with this murder and he is trying as much is possible not only to convince himself that it was okay (even though he knows deep down it was not) but also that the various times in which he expresses empathy for Fortunato and tries to get him to go back would be reflections of his own guilt.
8:10 PM
Likewise, his "my heart grew sick – – on account of the dampness of the catacombs" is not accidental.
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That –
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implies a pause
8:10 PM
cassie103
8:10 PM
ok so for the final paper, i can do two paragraphs on psychoanalytical as long as they're distinctly different POV's?
tichure
8:10 PM
the Freudian slip was telling us that his heart grew sick.
He tries to cover it by telling us it's about how damp the catacombs are instead of telling us truly that he is feeling bad about this, which violates one of his rules in which he must maintain control and not let it get the best of him.
8:10 PM
Yes Cassie
8:10 PM
three actually if you count the one I just mentioned.
8:10 PM
Because the other part of that psychoanalytical character is that Fortunato is actually trying to get himself killed.
8:11 PM
cassie103
8:11 PM
oh shoot this is good stuff. okay.
tichure
8:11 PM
He has insulted a man whose motto is basically "if you mess with me I'll kill you" and he pretends to not remember is coat of arms or the motto, as well as intentionally insulting him over and over again, even in his presence. He drunkenly drinks to the dead that repose around him even though he know, theoretically, that he is the one who has led to the demise of the Montresor family.
Yeah Cassie. Make sure you cite in your paper.
8:11 PM
Actually, do not cite any of this in your paper
8:12 PM
find the resources and make the argument yourself.
8:12 PM
But you knew that.
8:12 PM
Any who
8:12 PM
h is insistence on going into a quiet private burial ground with the man that he has insulted multiple times, as well as other elements, including dressing himself as a full and such might indicate that he is actually on a suicide mission of sorts. This probably the weakest of the psychoanalytical criticisms and I'm not sure how much secondary source material, if any, you will find on this argument.
8:13 PM
cassie103
8:13 PM
right, so the whole thing where Fortunato is probably well aware that insulting a man is punishable and that he knows there's no Amontadillo and wants to humiliate montresor even more and keeps pressuring him to go down there
tichure
8:13 PM
Yes
murder me
8:13 PM
cassie103
8:13 PM
so you don't think fortunato knew montresor was going to kill him?
tichure
8:13 PM
remember, psychoanalytical criticism is entirely predicated on what On characterhappens to the character by the end the story.
you start at the end of the story and then figure out how the character got there. You're looking for evidence that the character WANTED to be there.
8:13 PM
cassie103
8:14 PM
ok that makes sense
tichure
8:14 PM
In terms of the actual structure of of the author's intentional presentation of the story, no. I believe it he was writing Fortunato as an arrogant, drunken boob who blundered into this trap. It is clearly Montresor who tells a story, which makes the psychoanalytical criticism applicable to him. Psychoanalytical criticism reveals the character about whom we know the most, whether it's Montresor or Oedipus or whoever
however, once you open the psychoanalytical criticism bag of tricks, you could go back through Fortunato's words and actions and make the claim that he is trying to get himself killed, which he does successfully.
8:15 PM
I just give you ideas. You're going to find a secondary source material for it.
8:15 PM
That's why you can't use anything that we talked about in class as evidence. I'm not telling you what happened or what it means. I'm giving you 1400 different translations and you're finding something that actually works and has secondary source material as credible support.
8:16 PM
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cassie103
8:16 PM
okay
tichure
8:17 PM
I know that there are secondary source analyses that discuss Montresor's failed righteous vengeance. He doesn't want us to know this, but is a guilty conscience discussing what happened. The various ways he says things and what he tries not to tell us but comes out anyway or all evidence that he screwed this up and he feels really bad even though he's not supposed to.
cassie103
8:18 PM
i could see a theory in which fortunado is aware, but I will have to see if any scholars agree with that. Superficially, I think Fortunato is too drunk and thinks too little of montresor to expect such a murder
Nycole 1
8:18 PM
Just reading your conversation between you and Cassie.
tichure
8:18 PM
for Marxist perspective, is the author's OVERT criticism of the hierarchy, especially Masons, in the story that you would link to people like John Allen. Moreover, it is going to include the authors tendency to write a specific kind of literature for a particular audience, which this work serves well.
cassie103
8:18 PM
okay, this has been very enlightening
tichure
8:18 PM
Very good analysis Cassie. That's the way the author intended.
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tichure
8:18 PM
Nicole, you don't have to add anything, but you can if you like.
cassie103
8:18 PM
damn why can't my technology behave itself
tichure
8:19 PM
Because technology is evil, just like math.
JENNIFER103
8:19 PM
So the assignment that is due Friday is a three paragraph essay on either death of a salesman or trifles?\
tichure
8:19 PM
Response four, yes Jennifer
Nycole 1
8:19 PM
Haha.
cassie103
8:19 PM
lol technology is 0's and 1's which kinda makes it math
Nycole 1
8:19 PM
I agree math is evil. Lol
tichure
8:19 PM
I know that Cassie.
cassie103
8:19 PM
and paper 1 is due friday the 25th?
tichure
8:19 PM
I believe so Cassie
cassie103
8:19 PM
ok got ittttt
tichure
8:20 PM
that's why was clarifying Jennifer's argument. Response four is the death of a salesman/trifles discussion. I don't believe it's due on the same day as the first draft of the paper.
Nycole 1
8:20 PM
Are you going to give us your feedback on Response 2 - Paper 1?
tichure
8:20 PM
Nicole, just write that on your paper and your good to go.
I've been already grading those Nicole. I'm going back through them for the revisions today and tomorrow so you'll get feedback shortly.
8:20 PM
cassie103
8:21 PM
think i have enough to fight my way through that haha, I'll leave the floor to you
tichure
8:21 PM
Many people have already gotten their feedback on the second draft of response two. Everybody should've gotten their feedback for response one unless they submitted it LATE. But I'll double check that.
Remember, I don't accept late work on responses, so make sure you pay attention to the due dates on those.
8:21 PM
Nycole 1
8:22 PM
I understand that you don’t accept late work. I wanted to finish what I started even though it was late.
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JENNIFER103
8:22 PM
I checked and the response 4 drama says its due friday the 25th.
tichure
8:22 PM
Nicole, I need to clarify that. What I don't accept late our responses. For the outline, the annotated works, and the research paper draft, I accept late work, but it impacts your grade. Because you only get one chance to do the outline or the annotated works cited or the two drafts, I have to have them or your grade will be totally screwed.
Jennifer, for your class is the first draft of the paper also doing same day?
8:23 PM
JENNIFER103
8:23 PM
yes
tichure
8:23 PM
Remember I have two classes. The dates are not exactly aligned on many things because that way I can get feedback to the student more quickly.
Let me check that.
8:23 PM
Okay neither of the classes have the response four Due on the same day as the first paper
8:25 PM
is either the 25th and the 28th or 25th and 29th
8:25 PM
check that again Jennifer.
8:26 PM
Any other questions folks?
8:26 PM
Especially the critical perspectives applied to the paper or otherwise?
8:26 PM
JENNIFER103
8:29 PM
Hello Professor I`ll send you a screengrab of the canvas page on response 4 drama because mine does say its due friday.
Nycole 1
8:29 PM
I’d just like to clarify something. If I turned in Response 1 before it’s due date, then made revisions per your request and then received more feed back from you and then turned in the final “response 1” is that considered late?
tichure
8:30 PM
The paper is due the 28th or the 29th.
Nicole, you get two shots unless I tell you to take a third shot. Nothing is late is long as you get something into me within the time period that I established in my response to you. If I tell you you have five days and you get it within five days, that's great. If I tell you to get something done by Monday and you get it done by Monday, that's fine.
8:30 PM
Sorry. The paper is due the 25th and the response is due the 28th OR the the response is due the 25th and the paper is due the 29th.
8:32 PM
Nycole 1
8:33 PM
Ok perfect thank you.
tichure
8:33 PM
Depending on which class you're in Jennifer.
JENNIFER103
8:33 PM
ok
tichure
8:33 PM
Jennifer, that means if your response is due the 25th, your paper is due on the 29th.
Any other questions, issues, clarifications etc.?
8:34 PM
JENNIFER103
8:35 PM
ok thank you for clearing that up i was very confused
tichure
8:36 PM
I'm glad I was able to help.
Anything else I can help you with?
8:37 PM
Nycole 1
8:37 PM
Earlier you told me to “just write that on your paper and your good to go.”
What did you mean by that?
8:37 PM
tichure
8:37 PM
it depends on what I wrote previous to that.
Nicole, I have 60 students. I don't remember specifically what I told each student unless you tell me something a bit more particular.
8:38 PM
What did I instruct for you to write on your paper?
8:38 PM
I believe it would be something along the lines of "change the critical perspective from historical to Marxist" or something along those lines. it depends on what I wanted you to fix which was relatively simple and straightforward.
8:38 PM
Nycole 1
8:40 PM
You had mentioned that “response 4” is the death of a salesman/trifles discussion. And then I asked if you were going to give us your feedback on response 2 - Paper 1 and then you told me to just write that on my paper.
My apologies. I understand you have many students. I was just a bit confused as to what you were talking about.
8:41 PM
tichure
8:41 PM
Jennifer, is there anything else I can help you with? Do you need to questions but your paper specifically or one of the critical perspective you something?
hahhah
8:41 PM
ok nicole
8:41 PM
God
8:41 PM
got it
8:41 PM
I understand what the reference was
8:42 PM
we were discussing how evil math was
8:42 PM
and I was simply explaining
8:42 PM
that you just write it on your paper
8:42 PM
without anything else
8:42 PM
you're guaranteed an a in my class
8:42 PM
course was a bit of a joke.
8:42 PM
Nycole 1
8:42 PM
Haha
Oh boy.
JENNIFER103
8:43 PM
I have all the information I need for now thank you.
tichure
8:43 PM
Sounds good Jennifer. If you have any questions you can always shoot me an email
8:43 PM
JENNIFER103
8:44 PM
Thank you professor I will.
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Nycole 1
8:44 PM
Will do.
Will you be grading my “response 1” soon? I have yet to see a final grade for that
8:46 PM
I just want to know that I am on the right track so that I have an idea of what needs to be done and what is expected from you for “response 2 - Paper 1”
8:46 PM
tichure
8:58 PM
I'm glad you're still here
where did you get the idea that Robert Hunter wrote the article about him or the Grateful Dead on biography.com?
8:58 PM
Where is it indicated in the information on the website that Robert Hunter wrote those articles?
8:58 PM
Nycole 1
9:03 PM
Your right. Now that I think about it. It doesn’t say anywhere that he wrote the article. The article is just written about him.
This information was found on https://www.biography.com/people/robert-hunter-20903767
9:05 PM
tichure
9:05 PM
I realize that.
the deal is, and I sent an email out about this, many things you can find online, especially on history and other informational databases, is not written by an individual person. It's written by an editorial committee. That means there is no author per se
9:05 PM
instead, you cite by the title of the article, followed by the publication which courses the website, followed by the year and then the URL.
9:05 PM
The same goes for websites, especially those created after the guy who the website is about is dead. The Jerry Garcia website was created after his death. He didn't write any of that stuff.
9:06 PM
That means it's credited to the title of the webpage, then you give me the website which is the publication, then you give me the date and then you give me the URL.
9:06 PM
None of these items that are going to be cited in text by either Garcia or hunter's last name
9:06 PM
instead, they are cited by the title of the article.
9:07 PM
One of them is ("Grateful Dead")
one of them will be called ("band" )
9:08 PM
Nycole 1
9:08 PM
Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying.
tichure
9:08 PM
etc. and I would know what that is because that's the first word in the entry in your works cited list and I would know what website on which to find it in the URL and all that.
Go back to that first response RIGHT NOW and change the in text citation as well as the work cited entries so that way you know what it looks like in its final corrected draft.
9:08 PM
Does that make sense?
9:09 PM
Nycole 1
9:11 PM
Yes.
When you say “in text citation” your referring to the citations in my body paragraph right?
9:12 PM
tichure
9:13 PM
Yes
The only thing that will be cited Garcia
9:13 PM
is going to actually be (Garcia et al.) for the song
9:13 PM
there will be nothing credited to Hunter because both of the references there are actually biography.com stuff. However, there will be a citation ( "Robert Hunter" ) because that is one of the articles by biography.com
Nycole 1
9:14 PM
Lol. Oh boy. Thank you. I appreciate your patience. It’s been difficult coming back to school after 10 years but I’m getting it. Slowly but surely.
tichure
9:16 PM
it's all process.
Fix that so that you go to the process and it sticks in your brain a little bit. Make sure your future work reflects that stuff.
9:16 PM
Any other questions or issues.
9:16 PM
??
9:16 PM
Nycole 1
9:17 PM
That’s all for now. Thanks again professor.
tichure
9:17 PM
You got it. Have a great week.
Nycole 1
9:17 PM
You do the same.
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tichure
9:21 PM
poof