From Patricia: (7:04 PM)

Good evening, Professor.

From tichure: (7:08 PM)

hey now patricia
hows things coming along?

From Patricia: (7:09 PM)

things are doing pretty well! I’m currently taking 2 classes this winter session and both classes are pretty interesting!
how are you doing?

From tichure: (7:09 PM)

just another day in paradise.
hahaah
Have you chosen something for your research paper

From Patricia: (7:10 PM)

not yet, I was hoping to hear more during today’s chat session

From tichure: (7:11 PM)

well the way this generally works, especially lately, is that you and I will have a discussion in which you will make a decision and then everything else we talk about will be based on me trying to help you to develop the paper based on what you decided.
From the list that I gave you, is there anything that is either interesting or familiar to you?

From Patricia: (7:11 PM)

ah, sounds good. Currently, I am leaning most towards Poe’s “The Cask of Amontillado”

From tichure: (7:12 PM)

I imagine you’ve read it

From Patricia: (7:12 PM)

No, not yet
But I have read some of Poe’s other works

From tichure: (7:13 PM)

Well that’s a start.

From tichure: (7:13 PM)

Do you generally like that kind of material?

From Patricia: (7:13 PM)

Quick question: for these chat sessions, are there normally more people?

From tichure: (7:13 PM)

Are you familiar with the genre
it depends

From tichure: (7:14 PM)

the original concept for chat is an actual chat room in which we cover the subject and I asked a lot of questions, very much like it in class session. However, because of the way people’s lives work, most people use this as a one-on-one chat session, in which it’s more about getting your paper done and less about a group experience.

From tichure: (7:15 PM)

It’s really you using this opportunity to facilitate your own progress and success in the course. There may be times in which there are other people who may or may not be working on the same work,

From Patricia: (7:15 PM)

I do! I also really enjoy his writing style. But the reason that I am unsure which piece I want to do for the paper is because I want to focus on something that I would most enjoy analyzing instead of what I would enjoy reading. and I see

From tichure: (7:15 PM)

and while the critical perspectives of the same, obviously some of the other ailments would be different. This plenty of crossover and I don’t make any predictions for any of it. If people show up, I help them out. If nobody shows up, I grade papers

From tichure: (7:15 PM)

and while the critical perspectives are the same, obviously some of the other elements would be different
sighj
by the way, I use Dragon speak. It doesn’t always type out accurately what I am rambling on about

From Patricia: (7:16 PM)

haha, yes, I saw you talk about that in the chat archive

From tichure: (7:16 PM)

and certainly in a class like this, in which you are doing a 16 week course in six weeks, it’s all about you making decisions and running with it

From tichure: (7:17 PM)

the material that is on the list is there because of a couple basic reasons.
The first is that the material is accessible and free

From tichure: (7:17 PM)

the second is because there is secondary source material available in order to apply the critical perspectives that you’re going to be applying

From tichure: (7:18 PM)

the third is that generally, it covers the gamut of what people are familiar with, whether it is traditional literature, something with a political or social bent, something with a specific culture or feminist voice, or a popular movie series in which most people have seen one or more of those episodes

From tichure: (7:18 PM)

to that end, it’s a matter of you choosing something that hits enough of an interest level, but also an accessibility level, in which you can write a research paper in six weeks

From Patricia: (7:19 PM)

I see. Related to that …

From Patricia: (7:19 PM)

I had a general quick about your expectations for our writing in general. From high school, our papers would be more of a close-reading analysis of the primary source, and this is how I approached the bird assignment. Today, I was able to watch/read the resources from this week’s module and realized that this is not the same as your expectations. So I wanted some clarifications about how we use different types of criticisms. …

From tichure: (7:19 PM)

knowing Edgar Allen Poe’s material helps understand some of the translation elements of casket amontillado, including obviously Marxist criticism

From tichure: (7:19 PM)

well i it’s an excellent question
here’s the deal
you’ll notice that this is not a literature analysis or literature conversation course  per se
this is a critical thinking course

From tichure: (7:20 PM)

critical thinking and critical theory are based on the understanding and acknowledgment that, whether it is politics or art or just about anything else, there is no single one answer or perspective. Whether or not Jackson Pollock is a brilliant genius or just a guy who threw a bunch of paint around is a matter of perspective

From tichure: (7:20 PM)

whether hip-hop is actually music or a bunch of stolen riffs with people talking over it is a matter of perspective
when you get into the elements of what a word actually says, it gets even deeper.

From tichure: (7:21 PM)

The purpose of this course is to get you separate yourself from the material
and understand how the work will be translated, initially by two different viewpoints, and ultimately by four different viewpoints, none of which are necessarily yours.

From tichure: (7:22 PM)

You are demonstrating that you understand how, for example, a feminist would read a work and and respond to it. How a Catholic might read something and respond to it. How a young Buddhist woman might respond to something. How an old African-American man might respond to something.

From tichure: (7:22 PM)

What the author actually intended
your approach then is to find a critical perspective that you understand
and find the evidence that supports the argument that you will make in that critical voice

From tichure: (7:22 PM)

you will never discuss your personal feelings, certainly not directly.

From tichure: (7:23 PM)

However, many people draw upon their own experiences either in religion or culture or gender and they find an argument that agrees with their worldview which allows them to talk about the work in a way that they want to talk about it but it is not from a first-person narrative

From tichure: (7:24 PM)

so if you happen to be a Republican or something, you can find resources that explain the Republican view of things and then you examine tupac Shakur’s “dear Mama” and explain why you disagree with the argument that is being made in that song

From tichure: (7:24 PM)

of course, you will also have to argue the authors point  just as fervently, which would be against your belief system, but it demonstrates you understand what critical thinking is and how to apply it

From tichure: (7:25 PM)

in fact, most people will generally do a Marxist criticism of work, which essentially explains what the author was trying to say, using biographical information and interview from that author or director to substantiate the argument that the work is intended to mean a specific thing from the creators perspective

From tichure: (7:25 PM)

but you must also, by the final paper, apply at least one critical perspective that is in direct opposition to what that director or author or poet is trying to say

From tichure: (7:26 PM)

so if you were to choose one of the feminist works, such as yellow wallpaper, trifles, La Migra,  you would then at some point explain the translation of the work from perspective of someone who is not a feminist and actually might be completely antithetical to that viewpoint, whether it is a patriarchal culture, a patriarchal political position, or just the androcentric perspective, which mostly seems to be antifeminist more than it is specific to anything else

From tichure: (7:26 PM)

and  you are demonstrating to me  three basic things
you know how to do college-level research  using college-level resources
you know how to use MLA style in quotation, citation and your reference page
you know how to apply critical perspectives

From tichure: (7:27 PM)

and that’s how we go.
If you took English 101, mostly what they have you do, outside of personal response, would be either historical or Marxists or formalist criticism

From tichure: (7:28 PM)

that’s why I don’t have anyone do feminist criticism (simple irony, conflict, symbols etc.) in this class

From tichure: (7:28 PM)

there is opportunity to use discussions of irony and symbol etc. in the other critical perspectives, but it is more complex than simple formalist analysis.

From tichure: (7:28 PM)

So your job at this point is to choose something that you understand well enough to start researching. Your annotated works cited assignment is really your litmus test as to whether or not you can do the research for the paper.

From tichure: (7:29 PM)

If you choose yellow wallpaper or cask of amontillado or trifles or death of a salesman, you will find plenty of material because these are in the standard literary canon and have been for a very long time

From tichure: (7:30 PM)

when it gets to things like Star Wars and dear mama, you have to be a little bit more creative, and although Tupac is now discussed in Gale and Ebscohost as a writer, and certainly George Lucas’s material has also permeated into the literary canon, you’re going to rely more on YouTube video interviews with the actual participants and criticism that is more along the lines of music or film respectively which has value. It’s just different places to look

From Patricia: (7:31 PM)

I see, wow, that’s a lot to take in haha

From tichure: (7:32 PM)

well actually, it’s a very wordy explanation for the entire course

From tichure: (7:32 PM)

but is very simple
you choose a topic to analyze
and then you find out whether or not you can find material to analyze it
and if you can, then you write a short draft of the paper
you get feedback from me
you fix it

From Patricia: (7:32 PM)

Another quick general question: do you have office hours outside of the live chat session times?

From tichure: (7:32 PM)

yes
you let me know when it is convenient

From Patricia: (7:33 PM)

I see, sounds good

From tichure: (7:34 PM)

mon 1130-1 and tues 1- 230 are always an option, as I’ve already created chat room times for that

From Patricia: (7:34 PM)

Another question about the bird assignment, do you know when we’d get feedback, because I hope to meet with someone from the Tutoring Lab about it, but I was hoping to get feedback from you before I do that

From tichure: (7:34 PM)

but you have to let them know you need me to be there for those. The one that I’m guaranteed to be at every time for this  class is Wednesdays between seven and nine

From tichure: (7:35 PM)

you will get feedback by tonight
I will give you an opportunity to revise it
what critical perspective did you apply

From Patricia: (7:36 PM)

I did what I thought was historical, but I think I might’ve accidentally added some biographical

From tichure: (7:36 PM)

for what work

From Patricia: (7:36 PM)

“To the Ladies"

From tichure: (7:36 PM)

did you have any information on the author herself?

From Patricia: (7:37 PM)

A little, I wrote briefly about how she herself was literate and was even able to publish her work even while she was married

From tichure: (7:37 PM)

Was she describing her own personal experience or was she describing her opinions about what was going on at the time
in the poem

From Patricia: (7:37 PM)

I believed that she was describing her opinions

From tichure: (7:38 PM)

biographical criticism relates directly and most  appropriately to work is autobiographical in a  very literal way

From tichure: (7:38 PM)

your secondary source material is a biography that essentially establishes that what is in the poem or song or whatever is the actual depiction of what actually happened to the person

From tichure: (7:39 PM)

if your argument is essentially explaining what she meant to say because she was an early feminist
and your using historical information to support her argument
you’re doing Marxist criticism

From tichure: (7:39 PM)

and so what I will likely tell you to do is to change the label to Marxist

From tichure: (7:40 PM)

Marxist criticism will use biographical information, not because the work is necessarily explaining what literally happened to the author, but because it helps establish who this person is and why they think the way they do. Likewise, historical information is helpful and relevant because it places the work within the context in which it was written and explains what the author is reacting to

From tichure: (7:40 PM)

once you start explaining what the author means
it’s Marxist
Marxist criticism discusses the authors point, the method by which she makes the point, and even may mentioned the intended audience.

From tichure: (7:40 PM)

There is also a class conflict discussion aspect of Marxist criticism which may either be part of or separate from the authors point aspect of Marxist criticism.
It sounds like you probably did a fairly strong Marxist critical perspective,

From tichure: (7:41 PM)

and as long as you used quotation from the primary source (the poem) and at least two different secondary sources (research)    and had a works cited page,
there’s probably not a whole lot to fix.
You’ll get direct feedback for me tonight in Canvas

From Patricia: (7:42 PM)

Awesome! Hopefully the feedback will give me a better idea of where I can improve. Honestly, I’ve already learned a lot from this course. I hadn’t heard of critical perspective till today when I was going over the module material, so there’s definitely a lot to learn

From tichure: (7:42 PM)

and in fact, if you don’t have any other questions, I’ll go grade right now

From tichure: (7:43 PM)

well in this pretty much everybody’s experience
that’s why you take the course.

From Patricia: (7:43 PM)

indeed!

From tichure: (7:43 PM)

It’s, like the shock I felt in geometry class
and trigonometry class
you’re like “this is a thing?”
And then eventually after this class
you’ll be watching a movie with friends

From tichure: (7:44 PM)

and suddenly you will be boring the hell out of them with all kinds of analyses that they don’t understand
unless they’ve taken this course, and then you can get into some kind of heated argument with popcorn and soda flying everywhere

From tichure: (7:44 PM)

so there’s plenty to look forward to

From Patricia: (7:44 PM)

haha, that would be exciting

From tichure: (7:44 PM)

so anyway, if you don’t have any other questions, I will let you go
From Patricia: (7:59 PM)

ok, since we are running out of time, if I have questions, could I email you?

From Patricia: (8:06 PM)

Sorry professor, I have to run, but thank you again for answering all of my questions. I’ll be sure to reach out if I plan on joining one of the other chat sessions to discuss more with you. Have a great rest of your day!


From tichure: (8:10 PM)

You got it.  Poof