12:32:25 tichure : Hey there Sela, How can I help you 12:33:05 From Sela : Hi Professor, I had a question about in text citations for my paper. If the author's name isn't listed would I include the title and the page number? 12:34:10 tichure : title of the article. You include page numbers if there are numbers. Most items on the Internet do not have page numbers 12:34:34 From Sela : Ok, that makes sense 12:35:32 tichure : anything else I can help you with? 12:35:59 From Sela : I also had a question for revisions on my first draft of my research paper. I would make the changes to it and submit the revised version for the next draft, correct? 12:37:49 tichure : Well it depends what I told you 12:38:12 tichure : if I wanted you to fix and resubmit this particular version, I told you “revise and resubmit “ and I give you a deadline 12:38:25 tichure : if I simply wanted you to apply these changes to the final draft I would say “apply these changes to the final draft” 12:38:31 tichure : so what did I say at the end of the email? 12:38:59 From Sela : Ok, in your email you said to "make the changes for your final paper" 12:40:29 tichure : Then you will make the changes on your final paper. 12:40:49 Sela : Ok, got it. Thank you! 12:40:53 tichure : Obviously, you will also add two more critical perspectives for a total of four 12:40:57 tichure : you're welcome 12:41:03 tichure : what work are you analyzing 12:41:21 Sela : I'm analyzing Gilman's "The Yellow Wallpaper" 12:41:46 tichure : and your first critical perspectives were… 12:41:57 Sela : historical and feminist 12:42:30 tichure : So what are you going to add to the final two. Keep in mind one of those critical perspectives should be critical of the story, reflecting a viewpoint that does not agree with the author’s assessment that the narrator is a victim of male authority and medicine 12:43:33 Sela : possibly androcentric for the opposing view? 12:43:44 tichure : and what is the claim 12:45:27 Sela : I think the claim would assert that the narrator is in need of her John's care both as a doctor and her husband. 12:45:34 tichure : well 12:45:36 tichure : yes 12:45:41 tichure : but it’s a bit more specific than that 12:45:52 tichure : and this would be the same as if you did the cultural perspective from doctors of the time 12:45:59 tichure : does the narrator follow her husband’s directions? 12:46:14 tichure : Is she doing the cure the way she is supposed to? 12:46:27 Sela : She isn't 12:46:35 tichure : and therefore their argument is she gets sicker 12:46:37 tichure : because 12:46:55 Sela : she isn't following his instructions 12:47:03 tichure : exactly.. a MAN’s instruction 12:47:07 tichure : she isn’t listening to the man’s wisdom 12:47:15 tichure : she isn’t bowing to his authority and knowledge 12:47:27 tichure : the doctor translation would be she’s not following the doctor’s instructions, the doctors wisdom etc. 12:48:07 tichure : androcentric criticism is rooted in an idea that men are smarter and have a better sense of things that women do, whom they see as overly emotional or strong-willed (in a negative sense) 12:48:22 tichure : Whether or not you can do this really has to do with being able to find appropriate resources that make these claims. 12:49:20 tichure : you have to find websites for articles written in response to the feminist movement in which that male view is depicted. They’re not necessarily going to respond to the story. they are more likely going to talk about the notion that women should listen to men 12:50:04 tichure : you might find the doctor approach little bit easier to find because all you really have to do is find articles written at the time the story was written, in which the rest cure was considered to be the latest and greatest in terms of treatment for this largely female malady (as they saw it) 12:50:34 tichure : there is another option 12:51:00 tichure : and that is to do a psychoanalytical criticism on the character in which you could make a claim that either the main character wants to be insane and does everything in her power, despite what she says, to get sicker rather than to get well 12:51:17 tichure : or a psychoanalytical criticism one character in which make the claim that the doctor, despite his claims that he wants his wife to get better, is actually trying to drive her insane 12:51:34 tichure : and the idea is that the character will make a claim that they want others to believe is true and that that they themselves may want to believe is true 12:51:51 tichure : but the storyline shows Freudian slips in which they are reviewing their true intention and wherever the character ends up by the end of the story is what the character actually wanted 12:52:24 tichure : so if you look at her resistance to the treatment, and her insistence on staying up all night picking up the wallpaper, we begin to see that she is actually trying to escape motherhood by pretending to be insane and ultimately landing there. 12:52:50 tichure : By the end of the story, it appears to others that she has broke with reality, and she would be institutionalized. That would fulfill her subconscious desire not to see the child. She tells of the people she wants to see the child. She tells us that she wants to want to see the child 12:52:57 tichure : but everything she’s doing is counter to that claim 12:53:11 tichure : likewise, that the husband says that he wants his wife to get better, that he cares for her very much, but according to the narrative, he is hardly ever there 12:53:34 tichure : and he does everything in his power to demoralize and denigrate her, referred to her as a child, as a notoriously stupid and aggressive animal etc. 12:54:07 tichure : and denies any requests that she has that might actually lend to her mental health, such as a nice airy room in which she can walk out into a garden. Instead, he locks her in a decaying room that looks and smells bad. It has bars on the windows. It’s as if he’s trying to drive her insane rather than fix her 12:55:13 tichure : does either one of those work for you? 12:55:27 tichure : By the way you could do, for example, a psychoanalytical on both characters as separate paragraphs 12:55:51 tichure : or do a psychoanalytical on the character and then do the cultural response from that male or Dr. point of view 12:56:42 Sela : yes, I think that any of those could work. I just need to gather any extra secondary sources for whatever I choose 12:57:26 tichure : exactly 12:57:33 tichure : there is finally one other way you could do this 12:57:37 tichure : you can do psychoanalytical on the author 12:57:52 tichure : most people think psychoanalytical criticism on the authors explaining that the author had a psychological problem, but that’s actually Marxist criticism. 12:58:32 tichure : The psychoanalytical criticism on the author is going to look at the story as a metaphor, and allegory for a different problem the author has in her life. That means everything in the story is symbolic for another issue that she is struggling with but does not want to discuss publicly. 12:58:35 tichure : For example, 12:58:54 tichure : What did Gilman do for a living 12:59:23 Sela : she was a writer 12:59:32 Sela : and an activist as well 13:01:00 tichure : was it easy 13:01:21 tichure : who were the main people holding her back in her endeavor to be a published author and a spokesperson for this new feminist movement? 13:02:02 Sela : no it wasn't easy, I believe her husband was one of the people that discouraged her 13:04:42 tichure : Yes and no. She was able to get this particular work published. But she was unhappy in the marriage. She was unhappy with The opportunities for women for the time and its limitations. She divorced him, moved to California and then sent her daughter to live with him and his new wife. 13:05:52 tichure : so the story becomes a symbolic representation of her experience in the world of publishing 13:06:40 tichure : companies that publish books and such are called publishing houses 13:06:45 tichure : she is in a house 13:06:48 tichure : but 13:07:39 tichure : like women writers, she is relegated to a few rooms, not allowed to explore all of them, as women writers were related to “women’ issues” like childcare, housekeeping tips, and letters to the lovelorn 13:08:18 tichure : they were usually not allowed to discuss politics (they don’t even have the right to vote), or cover hard news like murders and such 13:08:44 tichure : she can see the world outside, like the woman reporter seeing her male colleagues freely move about the publishing world. 13:09:02 tichure : her notion that she should have more freedom ostracized her form the rest 13:09:50 tichure : even other women writers content with what they were allowed saw the rogue female reporter pushing for hard news a a bit odd, the same way Jennie sees the narrator as odd 13:10:08 tichure : the husband is the editor 13:10:14 tichure : he has first immediate control 13:10:26 tichure : if she resist, he will go to a higher authority 13:10:28 tichure : thuis 13:10:49 tichure : Mitchell represents the publisher 13:11:05 tichure : and the yellow is a reference to yellow journalism 13:11:41 tichure : Yellow journalism is a reference that describes news reporting and fiction that is designed to rile people up. 13:11:59 tichure : This story was originally published ghost story as if she had tried to publish it as a feminist treatise, it would have been rejected 13:12:03 tichure : they would have seen her work as yellow journalism 13:12:20 tichure : of course, she sees the work of men that keep explaining that women should stay in their place as yellow journalism 13:12:37 tichure : you would simply turn the story into a metaphor for the author’s own experience in the publishing world 13:12:50 tichure : she escapes from the room 13:13:01 tichure : in the same way that she escaped California to create her own publishing company so that she can write whatever she wanted 13:13:04 tichure : which is exactly what she did 13:13:08 tichure : after she wrote the story 13:13:23 tichure : the story becomes predictor symbolically of the authors own journey in journalism 13:13:34 tichure : of course if you know any writers, 13:13:39 tichure : you know what their baby is 13:13:51 tichure : she doesn’t want this baby because the only baby she’s allowed to have while she stuck inside that mansion would be the writing that they tell her to do 13:13:57 tichure : she can’t stand to see it 13:14:32 tichure : she wants to break free from the writing that she is required to do or limited to 13:14:36 tichure : and do her own thing 13:14:39 tichure : which is what she ended up doing 13:14:57 tichure : your secondary source material would be a biography of the author’s life including what happened AFTER the story was written 13:15:03 tichure : and is focusing on her as a writer 13:15:14 tichure : you have multiple options. 13:15:20 tichure : see what you can find 13:15:25 tichure : and see what suits you in terms of interest 13:15:44 tichure : once you choose a couple of approaches, we can have a discussion if you need about resource material and the scope of the argument 13:17:57 tichure : anyway, any questions 13:18:23 Sela : oh it's all good, and I don't have anymore questions. thank you professor! 13:18:40 tichure : my pleasure Sela 13:18:54 tichure : enjoy the research. I’ll be here all if you need something 13:19:11 Sela : ok, thank you again. have a good rest of your day! 13:19:23 tichure : you too. poof