20:51:28 tichure : Hey, Nicholas 20:51:32 tichure : we are using the text box 20:51:36 Nicholas : Hello 20:51:55 tichure : hey now 20:51:57 Nicholas : Okay! 20:52:09 Nicholas : Okay so I seem to still be confused 20:52:12 tichure : let’s talk about your paper 20:52:20 tichure : no problem 20:52:33 Nicholas : I redid the citation but I guess I am still not understanding on even how to fix that 20:52:56 tichure : you mean the primary source? The song? 20:53:10 tichure : Are you talking about in the text or in the works cited 20:53:10 Nicholas : Is that the only citation that I have wrong? 20:53:41 tichure : well no, and what I want you to understand is the basic format, which if you understand that, you can cite anything correctly. 20:53:44 tichure : So here’s the deal 20:53:45 Nicholas : Is it the citation wrong or the citation in the text 20:54:15 tichure : understand that I’ve been grading for the past three days and so I don’t remember your paper specifically so you will have to have to help me out by telling me what I said 20:54:21 tichure : it’s one of the reasons I give you the amount of detail that I do 20:54:43 tichure : in the basic formatting section, I would have mentioned both in text citation and the works cited if both of them had a problem. 20:55:15 tichure : Look at the email and tell me what I said and I will explain it to you in greater detail 20:57:11 Nicholas : It was the basic formatting, the work cited is formatted incorrectly. Talking about the song citation 20:57:18 tichure : okay 20:57:21 tichure : so here’s the deal 20:57:23 Nicholas : YouTube videos 20:57:33 tichure : in the works cited YouTube videos are listed by the title in quotation marks 20:57:42 tichure : what follows that is going to be the word YouTube in italics 20:57:56 tichure : after that you will have a phrase “uploaded by” followed by the individual or group that uploaded the YouTube video 20:58:00 tichure : then you will have the date 20:58:03 tichure : and then you’ll have the URL 20:58:20 tichure : I believe what you did is you cited with (YouTube video) and the timecode 20:58:30 tichure : in text 20:58:43 Nicholas : Yes that is what I did 20:58:45 tichure : but actually you would cite by the title of the video and the timecode in text 20:59:09 Nicholas : okay so all that needs to be done for the text citation? 20:59:26 tichure : citing with “YouTube video” is like saying you found it on the Internet. It’s too broad. Also, you are likely going to find more YouTube videos, and therefore having each one indicated by title will be a lot clearer to the reader 20:59:37 tichure : did you format the entire song information in your work cited with italics 21:00:53 Nicholas : BETNetworks. “Tupac Wishes He Could Have Been A Better Son to His Mother.” YouTube, YouTube, 19 Sept. 2016, www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyDlOlmku68. 21:01:02 Nicholas : That's how I cited it 21:01:22 tichure : move the BET networks to place it after YouTube. YouTube only has to be mentioned once 21:02:18 tichure : “Tupac Wishes He Could Have Been A Better Son to His Mother.” YouTube. uploaded by BETNetworks. 19 Sept. 2016, www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyDlOlmku68. 21:02:32 tichure : that is what it would look like 21:02:41 tichure : the word YouTube has to be italicized, but I can’t figure out how to do that in this particular chat box 21:02:51 tichure : does that make sense 21:03:03 Nicholas : Okay I use a work citation page and that's what they give me should I change the work citing page that I use? 21:03:40 tichure : well not exactly sure what you’re saying, but when somebody gives you a citation, they may be giving you a different format. APA and Chicago style are different from MLA style, which is what we are using. 21:04:23 tichure : Generally when you get on Ebscohost or Gale, they will give you the proper citation with all the different formats. But sometimes you have to adjust it for capitalization and stuff because it’s not always completely accurate 21:04:33 tichure : and if you understand the basic formatting, you know how to fix it 21:04:49 Nicholas : I use citation machine and that's how they show me use it for MLA 8 21:05:15 tichure : I understand. Citation machines are not always completely accurate. 21:05:31 Nicholas : Oh okay is there another website I can use for that? 21:05:33 tichure : You now can see what the basic formatting is for YouTube video and you will be able to correct it every time 21:05:55 tichure : open web browser and type in “MLA owl” 21:06:00 Nicholas : The citation is different the citation in the text? 21:06:20 Nicholas : from purdue? 21:06:23 tichure : it will take you to the Purdue University citation information that shows you the citation for both in text and the work cited for almost every conceivable thing you can think of. 21:06:26 tichure : That is correct 21:07:04 Nicholas : So for this one 21:07:11 Nicholas : “My mother dealing being with my man not being there” (YouTube Video 1:17). 21:07:19 tichure : the citation in your paper, in text, is a reflection of your work cited. The citation in the text of your paper is going to be the first word (author’s last name) or words (a title for works that have no author) that is listed in the works cited. That’s how the organization works. That way a person can see a name for a title and that is the first thing that they will read in the entries in the works cited. 21:07:35 Nicholas : I would write the title of the youtube video instead of putting youtube? 21:07:37 tichure : So you would change “YouTube video” to the title of the video and it would be correct 21:07:42 tichure : you got 21:07:45 tichure : you got it right 21:07:54 tichure : exactly 21:08:27 Nicholas : “My mother dealing being with my man not being there” (Tupac Wishes He Could Have Been A Better Son to His Mother 1:17). 21:08:36 Nicholas : So like that is the correct way 21:08:49 tichure : put the title in quotation marks within the apostrophes 21:08:51 tichure : and 21:08:57 tichure : you only have to give me the first three words of a long title 21:09:19 Nicholas : Can you show me what you mean 21:09:31 tichure : (“ Tupac Wishes He…” 1:17) 21:09:38 Nicholas : ooooh 21:09:40 Nicholas : okay 21:09:45 tichure : that would be enough information for us to quickly look down at your work cited and know exactly where the source is 21:09:51 tichure : and we can go to the video ourselves and verify that what you’re saying is true 21:09:58 tichure : which makes your argument convincing and valid 21:10:03 tichure : even if somebody disagrees with you 21:10:22 tichure : is like evidence 21:10:32 Nicholas : you have a tendency to make a generalized claim without a specific example. When you tell us that the author went through "hard moments" we expect at least one or two specific examples (homelessness at 17, watching his sister suffer, lacking a father etc.) that are depicted in the song and supported by biographical information or the author's comments. When you say that the lack of a father figure affected the author negatively, give me an example (lack of income, lack of parental support, discipline and love etc.) that are mentioned in the song. Quotation from the song and quotation from secondary sources are required. Always give examples. 21:10:33 tichure : somebody asks you “where did you get that” and you say right here 21:10:41 Nicholas : This was the second feedback I was given 21:11:29 tichure : so when you say the author struggled, we want to know, right there, at least one or two examples 21:11:53 tichure : you give us a quotation from the song (he dropped out of school, he’s sad, he has to try to find ways to make money in order to help his family) 21:11:53 Nicholas : That is with quotes or my comments 21:12:07 tichure : and a secondary source quotation that supports that this actually happened. 21:12:44 tichure : Your second body paragraph 21:12:50 tichure : actually has the information that you needed for the Marxist criticism 21:12:51 Nicholas : Okay when you say secondary source what does that mean, because I have 4/5 different citations 21:13:01 tichure : you have the secondary sources in the second body paragraph 21:13:08 Nicholas : I believe that is were I am still getting confused o 21:13:11 Nicholas : *on 21:13:13 tichure : your information about the author’s life is in the second body paragraph 21:13:18 tichure : yes 21:13:21 Nicholas : I am not understanding the differneces 21:13:32 tichure : like you said, you have a Marxist criticism here, but you’re not putting the two bits together 21:13:35 Nicholas : I think I understand it but then I don't 21:13:39 tichure : is almost as if in the first body paragraph you give us the overview 21:13:48 tichure : and then in the second body paragraph, you gave us the details and the evidence 21:14:00 tichure : your second body paragraph is a good Marxist criticism 21:14:04 tichure : you make a claim 21:14:18 tichure : and then you show us in the song where the claim is made 21:14:26 tichure : and then you give us the secondary source material that explains that this actually happened to the author 21:14:49 tichure : your first body paragraph is mostly about FEELINGS but doesn’t have any biographical information that refers to the specific instances in the author’s life 21:14:56 Nicholas : So then I need to change my first body paragraph? 21:14:59 tichure : the second body paragraph has that biographical information that explains his feelings 21:15:28 tichure : really, your first and second body paragraph are covering the same point. The first is mostly about his feelings and the second is mostly about what actually happened in those things are actually related. The Marxist criticism is going to verify that what he saying about his life is actually true and is going to explain how he feels about it 21:15:33 Nicholas : I thought I was speaking on culture in the 2nd part 21:17:04 tichure : so you would mention that he felt left out by his father, and that he struggled. You would shows in the primary text, the song, a quotation that refers to a single thing like how poor they were. You would then use biographical information to verify that they were poor. Then you would also use the information you had in that first body paragraph to explain his feelings, in which he says he’s mad at his dad. They move on, in the same paragraph, to the next thing that he says, such as that his mother had a drug problem. You would find that in the primary text, “drug fiend” and then use a secondary source to verify that she had a cocaine habit, and then you would use the YouTube stuff to show that he was upset about it and in fact that is why he left home. They argued constantly about her problem 21:18:08 tichure : do you see how this works? This body paragraph on Marxist criticism is likely going to be about two pages if you cover most of the items that he mentions about his life. He would include the song, biographical evidence to show that it occurred, and interview with the author and his mother to show how they feel 21:18:21 tichure : does that make sense 21:18:40 Nicholas : What is biographical information? 21:18:46 tichure : biographical information is information about the author 21:18:48 tichure : ’s life 21:18:50 tichure : his life 21:19:07 tichure : this would be articles and essays written about him after he died, biographical documentaries on YouTube, on Netflix and the like etc. 21:19:35 tichure : they would verify that he was raised without a father. They would verify that he was homeless at 17. They would verify that he had been arrested and incarcerated before the songs written. They would verify that he tried drug dealing with the gang members told him that he should try something else. They would verify that he dropped out of school 21:19:39 tichure : all of this is in the song 21:19:47 tichure : and you would be establishing that what is in the song is not fiction. It's a real 21:20:04 tichure : history of a real person 21:20:19 tichure : do you see what I mean 21:20:47 tichure : you have this information in your cultural criticism. But that’s not what cultural criticism does. We’ll talk about that once we establish that you understand the Marxist criticism, which is mostly what your paper is 21:21:08 Nicholas : Okay so then what I wrote had nothing to do with culture? 21:21:15 tichure : that is correct 21:21:23 Nicholas : It was more biographical? 21:21:23 tichure : are you clear so far on what were looking for for the Marxist criticism 21:21:50 Nicholas : I had to have two right? Marxist criticism and another one? 21:21:59 tichure : you pick something from the song, you show us that it actually happened, and then you tell us his feelings about it. The secondary source material shows that it actually happened and gives us his feelings. This is where you use the biographical information from the secondary sources as well as the YouTube interviews. 21:22:01 tichure : That is correct. 21:22:07 tichure : And you do have some elements for that. 21:22:15 tichure : Are we clear on the Marxist criticism and how to fix it 21:22:17 Nicholas : I still am not 100% on what Marxist critisim is I believe that is why I keep getting it confused 21:22:38 Nicholas : Yes that would be to put it for the second body paragraph right? 21:23:06 tichure : basically Marxist criticism is the critic (YOU) explaining to us what the author was trying to say and why. Because this work is autobiographical, you are going to be validating that what he is claiming about himself is true, both in his experiences depicted in the song and his feelings about those issues. 21:23:28 Nicholas : okay that makes more sense 21:23:31 tichure : And then you would have a different critical perspective for the next body paragraph 21:23:34 tichure : so let’s talk about 21:23:40 tichure : cultural criticism and what it is and what it is not 21:23:44 tichure : cultural criticism is a critical perspective that explains how the culture would translate the work. It is not a description or explanation of the author’s culture 21:23:47 Nicholas : So change the first body paragraph ? 21:24:09 tichure : yes. You will incorporate what you have in the second body paragraph that refers specifically to the author's life into that first body paragraph. 21:24:23 tichure : There’s other material that you will leave in the second body paragraph and we’ll talk about that in a minute 21:24:37 Nicholas : So it can all be Marxist critisim ? 21:25:08 tichure : well understand that your paper cannot be all Marxist criticism. But the biographical information that you have about the author’s life and the YouTube video stuff in which he discusses his feelings is all Marxist criticism. 21:25:42 tichure : And therefore you will take everything that you said about the authors own life in the second body paragraph and put that into the first body paragraph because it is giving us the specifics that we need when you claim that he struggled or that the author had rough times etc. 21:26:25 tichure : Are you with me so far 21:26:28 tichure : on Marxist criticism 21:26:50 Nicholas : Okay so then I need a whole new second body paragraph because I will be putting the 2nd one I have with the first one? 21:27:15 tichure : well you actually have material that will be excellent for the second body paragraph. If you’re clear on the Marxist criticism, we can get to the second body paragraph now 21:28:24 tichure : ready? 21:28:34 Nicholas : I would not combine the 2nd paragraph with the first one? Just work on the Marxist critisim more in the first one? 21:29:02 tichure : exactly. Leave the second body paragraph the way it is but take out all of the biographical information, that information that is particularly about what happened to the author and his mother, and put that in the first body paragraph 21:29:16 tichure : you’re not going to completely destroy the second body paragraph. Instead, you were going to improve it 21:29:22 tichure : and make it a different critical perspective 21:29:34 tichure : from the Marxist 21:29:35 Nicholas : Okay I think I am understanding a little more now 21:29:43 tichure : okay so let’s talk about some general things to understand 21:30:02 tichure : the author’s life and the fact that the author wrote this has a particular back story is only relevant to biographical criticism, Marxist criticism, and psychoanalytical criticism on author 21:30:34 tichure : in other words, if you’re doing historical criticism cultural criticism of any kind, feminist criticism anything like that, you do not mention the author or the author’s life. These critical perspectives do not know who the author is. They don’t understand the author’s background. They are looking at the words on the page and the message that is being sent to the reader 21:30:54 Nicholas : So wait biographical critisim is another kind? 21:31:30 tichure : because you’re doing something that is autobiographical, a biographical criticism and a Marxist criticism are going to be essentially the same and that’s why in the instructions, you’re not allowed to do both. You can do one or the other, but you can’t do both so you’re good with the Marxist criticism 21:31:42 tichure : it was a good choice 21:32:22 tichure : but when you do a cultural criticism, you’re not explaining the author’s culture. cultural criticism is a critical perspective that explains how the culture would translate the work. It is not a description or explanation of the author’s culture 21:32:40 tichure : For example, can you think of a culture that would fundamentally disagree with the author’s point 21:33:05 tichure : a group that would not look kindly on drug use, drug sales, single- parent homes, children left alone, people raising children to be felons etc. 21:33:21 tichure : groups that don’t like people who get public assistance like welfare 21:33:48 Nicholas : Yes 21:33:51 tichure : this would be a religious group, a political group, or even an ethnic group 21:33:54 tichure : name one 21:34:05 tichure : for the purposes of this exercise. It’ll help clarify what a cultural criticism is for you 21:34:42 Nicholas : The ethnic group of some White people of America 21:34:56 tichure : a culture is defined as a group of individuals who are united in BELIEF. That’s why religions create cultures. Groups of people from the same ethnicity often create cultures, with subcultures inside that larger culture. 21:34:59 tichure : White people is too broad 21:35:04 tichure : in the same way that African-Americans is too broad 21:35:11 Nicholas : Higher class people? 21:35:16 tichure : and narrow it down. white people who believe what 21:35:22 tichure : for example, can you think of a political party 21:35:40 Nicholas : Republicans 21:35:50 tichure : or an occupation in this country (some job that either hires people or creates a mindset as to what is right and wrong) 21:36:17 Nicholas : Social workers, Police Officers, teachers 21:37:01 tichure : Excellent choices 21:37:15 tichure : you understand exactly what a culture is. Let’s choose one 21:37:20 tichure : what do Republicans think about people who are on welfare 21:37:25 tichure : like or dislike 21:37:52 Nicholas : Dislike 21:37:55 tichure : what the Republicans think about drugs, including drug use and drug sales? I’m not talking about alcohol and cigarettes, but rather items that are illegal and usually part of subcultures in this country 21:38:40 Nicholas : They disagree with it, and look down on it. 21:38:45 tichure : what do Republicans think about women raising children alone? Moreover, what do Republicans think about women who have multiple children from different fathers out of wedlock 21:38:50 tichure : in other words, not married 21:39:11 Nicholas : Sinful, degrading, "ghetto" 21:39:13 tichure : what do they think about people who break the law? 21:39:17 tichure : You’re on the right track 21:40:00 Nicholas : They belong in jail and are looked at with fear 21:40:15 tichure : a cultural criticism is a paragraph that you would write that would explain, in this case, the Republican response to this song. You would basically argue their argument. You would use their resources which explain their views on these topics in order to determine two things. The first is whether they agree that these things HAPPEN. I’m not talking about whether they agreed that they should or should not happen or that is good or bad, but that they acknowledge that these things happen 21:40:38 tichure : Would Republicans agree that people do the things that were depicted in the song? 21:41:52 Nicholas : what does depicted mean? Like wrong ? 21:42:12 tichure : Depicted means shown 21:42:19 tichure : in other words, do Republicans agree that this stuff happens 21:42:28 Nicholas : I would talk about why that culture disagrees with the culture described in the song 21:42:31 Nicholas : ? 21:42:44 tichure : well in this case you would 21:43:10 Nicholas : They would agree that it does happen but look at it as if it is not okay 21:43:11 tichure : you would use their stances on marriage, morality, parenting, drugs, truancy, crime, and social responsibility 21:43:16 tichure : excellent 21:43:20 tichure : therefore, 21:43:26 tichure : with they agree with the author that this woman is respectable 21:43:33 tichure : would they agree with the author that this woman is respectable 21:43:41 tichure : that she deserves respect 21:43:45 tichure : that she is a good mother 21:45:02 Nicholas : So for example I could write, The way culture critisim is shown is by the judgement from a white republican. ? 21:45:09 tichure : yes 21:45:18 tichure : would they like or dislike the song 21:45:25 Nicholas : Then write how they do not agree or look down on what is being said In the song? 21:45:36 tichure : by the way, not all conservative Republicans are white. Many of them are Latinx, as many Republican stances fit Catholic church doctrine 21:45:38 Nicholas : They would dislike the song 21:45:40 tichure : that is correct 21:45:42 tichure : that is correct 21:45:52 tichure : and now you have a translation of the work that is COMPLETELY different from what the author intended 21:45:56 tichure : completely different from a Marxist criticism 21:45:58 Nicholas : So would I change it to just republicans? 21:46:03 tichure : and then your showing that you understand how different people can view the same work differently 21:46:46 Nicholas : What kind of quotes can I use for that one? can I keep the same ones I have just explain them from a different point of vie 21:46:49 Nicholas : view 21:46:57 tichure : well basically Republicans are united in very specific beliefs. If you do not believe those things, according to them, you are not a Republican. There are conservative Republicans and there are more relaxed Republicans. The easiest paragraph to write is from very conservative Republicans because they are against welfare, they are for a standard two-parent family, they are against crime, there against anything illegal, regardless as to whether or not that legality is logical, and they do not support drug use and less it’s alcohol and cigarettes 21:47:05 tichure : you would find all the information you need on Republican websites 21:47:07 tichure : they would not discuss the song 21:47:10 tichure : they discuss the issues 21:47:20 tichure : and you show how because they do not believe that welfare is good, they would not think a woman on welfare is a good mother 21:47:39 tichure : because they think children should not be raised in a house in which drugs are used, they would not agree this woman is a good mother 21:47:50 tichure : because they do not like criminals, they would not think a woman who raises a child who is a convicted felon is a good mother 21:47:54 tichure : they do not know who Tupac is 21:47:57 tichure : they don’t know his background 21:48:00 tichure : they don’t know that he wrote the song 21:48:06 tichure : but everything we are talking about was depicted in the song 21:48:15 tichure : and the song is claiming that the person who’s described, the mother is a good person 21:48:22 tichure : and they would say based on the examples she is not 21:48:34 tichure : and their doctrine, especially the conservative doctrine, would say she is not a good mother 21:48:40 tichure : that’s a cultural criticism 21:49:05 tichure : police would take a slightly different tack. They don’t care about marriage, but they are responsible for policing issues like drugs, truancy, felons, and children left alone without their parents 21:49:28 tichure : they would have specific issues with the song for some of the same reasons as conservative Republicans but some things they don’t care about because their job is about law enforcement, not social conditioning 21:49:45 tichure : if you chose conservative Catholic Latinx culture, they would agree with much of what the Republicans and the police say 21:49:49 tichure : but they have great respect from others 21:49:54 tichure : they have great respect for mothers 21:49:56 tichure : but 21:50:03 tichure : they would not think this woman is a good person. She has sex out of wedlock 21:50:06 tichure : she has children out of wedlock 21:50:11 tichure : she has a drug problem 21:50:19 tichure : she is raising a criminal 21:50:40 tichure : she leaves them alone and is not providing good traditional mother roles that the Latinx culture likes 21:50:48 tichure : they will also would not like the song 21:50:50 tichure : , but again it all depends 21:50:54 tichure : on the specific culture that you identify 21:51:02 tichure : and then you find websites that explain those cultures views on these issues 21:51:07 tichure : and you can write your paper 21:51:13 tichure : you choose the one that you can find the most material on 21:51:38 tichure : Catholics, like most religions, make their viewpoints very clear on their websites, usually established through commandments, laws and other expressions related to the Bible 21:52:08 Nicholas : So I would use the quotes form there? not from the song 21:53:34 tichure : okay every body paragraph is going to use quotes from the song, as you’re always bringing the argument back to the song. It is likely, in fact, that you will use the same quotation from the song in two different paragraphs because two different groups again respond differently to it 21:53:42 tichure : you must quote from the song throughout the body paragraph. It’s the thing you’re explaining 21:53:57 tichure : if you claim the song says something, show me a quotation. Show me where in the song that thing occurs 21:54:04 tichure : however 21:54:14 tichure : for a cultural criticism, that is the only time you mention the author 21:54:32 tichure : you don’t give us any background information on the author in a cultural criticism. The culture doesn’t care who the author is. They are simply responding to the message of the song, which for the police and Republicans and other conservative groups, they disagree with 21:54:50 tichure : so you give me a quotation from the song, credited to the author, and then you tell us how Republicans would respond to it 21:54:56 tichure : agreeing or disagreeing with what it says 21:55:00 tichure : and then you have a cultural criticism 21:55:04 tichure : do you see how that works 21:55:50 tichure : part of your cultural criticism is you cannot disagree with that cultural criticism in that paragraph…. you are not arguing against it. You are basically putting it forth as a way to translate it. It doesn’t mean that you agree with it. It doesn’t mean that you like it. It does mean that you understand how to translate something from different perspectives, which is what the point of this course is 21:56:50 Nicholas : Okay I believe I understand it more now 21:57:11 tichure : so let me tell you what you actually had in the second body paragraph other than biographical information for your Marxist criticism 21:57:18 tichure : you had information from some guy whose name starts with a T 21:57:26 tichure : and it was information about impoverished African-Americans 21:57:28 tichure : do remember it 21:57:32 tichure : it was statistical 21:57:37 tichure : things like this percentage is on welfare 21:57:43 tichure : or that percentage is unemployed or something like that 21:58:05 Nicholas : Yes 21:58:23 tichure : statistical information is actually viable for a particular criticism called historical criticism historical criticism is a critical perspective that would allow you to establish that what the author is saying is true, but not for himself. 21:58:34 tichure : Historical criticism would say that this story being told in the song is true for an entire segment of the population 21:58:37 tichure : not all black people 21:58:46 tichure : but impoverished African-Americans living in the inner-city in the 1980s 21:58:59 tichure : your information from that author was establishing that what is said in the song is TRUE statistically for a group 21:59:10 tichure : and if you found information that establish that this particular group is more likely than everybody else to 21:59:15 tichure : drop out 21:59:16 tichure : of school live 21:59:20 tichure : drop out of school 21:59:23 tichure : live in poverty 21:59:28 tichure : live in a house where drugs are used 21:59:31 tichure : be raised by a single mother 21:59:37 tichure : use welfare or other public assistance 21:59:42 tichure : and of being arrested or convicted of crime 21:59:51 tichure : be in a family in which children come from different fathers 21:59:55 tichure : be more likely to engage with gangs 22:00:29 tichure : you’d be showing that this work is accurate for a group of people and that is HISTORICAL criticism. Again, it is not about the author. You would not use any information about the author’s own life. He would show me a quotation in the song and then show me a statistic that would show us that when he’s telling us is TRUE for a GROUP of people 22:00:33 tichure : and that is historical criticism 22:00:37 tichure : you already have that paragraph started 22:00:50 tichure : in paragraph 3 of your essay 22:01:07 tichure : it’s a statistical based analysis that essentially says that what is said in the song is an accurate portrayal of the lives for impoverished young men being raised by single mothers in the inner-city 22:01:31 tichure : you give me a quotation from the song, and then you show me with statistics that this is correct for a group. 22:01:46 tichure : When he says he dropped out of school, you would give me statistics to show that the highest rates of dropout in this country are young African-American men living in poverty 22:01:47 Nicholas : So should I remove that to keep it to the culture criticism 22:02:14 tichure : no 22:02:37 tichure : you don’t have a cultural criticism at all. You didn’t do the stuff that we were talking about. You already have the beginnings of a historical criticism, so instead of creating a brand 22:03:00 tichure : new paragraph With completely new research, you might as well add more statistics and make that second body paragraph historical criticism 22:03:14 tichure : obviously, you take out all of the stuff about the author’s life, because that goes in the Marxist criticism 22:03:19 tichure : and then you would have a Marxist criticism and historical criticism 22:03:25 tichure : the Marxist criticism explains that this is about this particular guy 22:03:32 tichure : historical criticisms explains that this is about a particular group 22:03:37 tichure : and you have two different translations of the work 22:03:51 tichure : that if you want to do a cultural criticism, you would gather the information and use that on your final paper, when you add two more critical perspectives to work 22:04:08 tichure : does that make sense 22:04:17 tichure : the information you’d be looking for statistically is going to be in places like Ebscohost 22:04:42 tichure : and you type in “high school dropout rates” or “incarceration rates for African-Americans” or “drug use in the inner-city” 22:04:52 tichure : and you would have all kinds of information that would tell you that what is depicted in the song is true for a group of people 22:05:40 tichure : if you simply typed in “African-American poverty” or “inner-city poverty” you would find much of this stuff is mentioned anyway because most of these things have been correlated 22:05:54 Nicholas : So I would use quotes from their and the song? 22:06:01 tichure : poverty leads to all kinds of issues, and not just obvious stuff like welfare. It also leads to more stress, less employment, and therefore drugs or crime to raise money etc. 22:06:02 tichure : yes 22:06:04 tichure : exactly 22:06:14 tichure : and the historical criticism argument is that this stuff happens to a group of people 22:06:18 tichure : in other words, 22:06:33 tichure : the song is real in the sense that it is telling the truth about a group of people. It is telling the story 22:06:35 tichure : it’s not fiction 22:06:40 tichure : is not made up 22:07:07 Nicholas : Okay I think I understand it more now 22:07:14 tichure : remember that each of your body paragraphs is going to be a different argument, and they do not have to agree with each other. In fact, at least one of your body paragraphs must disagree with the author’s point the end of the semester 22:07:31 tichure : and therefore if you decide to do the Republican or police translation of the song, you will have that voice that disagrees with what the song says 22:07:41 Nicholas : Is that where I can use the culture criticism ? 22:07:53 tichure : and more than that, you will be demonstrating that you understand this idea of critical thinking, the notion that not everybody views a song or movie or a political view in the same way 22:07:54 tichure : exactly 22:08:28 tichure : if you do a translation from the Republican view, that is a cultural criticism. If you translated from a Catholic view, that’s a cultural criticism. If you translated from the police view, that’s a cultural criticism. Social workers would be cultural criticism. Each one would be its own because each one uses the resource material from that particular group 22:08:42 tichure : does that make sense 22:08:54 tichure : and obviously, each body paragraph must have multiple quotations from the song because it is the song you are translating 22:08:56 Nicholas : Okay I think I understand it more. I will get to fixing that, and then wed. I will check in if I have other questions or get stuck again. I will message you as well if I still get stuck. 22:09:11 tichure : each body paragraph has to have multiple quotations from at least two different secondary sources, as that is your evidence 22:09:14 tichure : excellent. 22:09:34 tichure : Do the Marxist first. You already have the material for it. It’s just a matter of creating a single body paragraph in which you have both the primary text, the authors biographical information, and the author interview in the same body paragraph 22:09:52 tichure : we have a tutor specifically for this class. She can also help you with that, especially once you put the paragraph together. 22:10:11 Nicholas : Fix that first? 22:10:11 tichure : But obviously I will be here on Wednesday evening between seven and nine, and you’re more than welcome to ask me particular questions about your paper. That’s what I’m here for 22:10:18 tichure : Marxist first 22:10:32 tichure : then start work on the historical 22:14:55 tichure : what I would have you do is fix the Marxist criticism. There should be an upcoming RESPONSE in which you can place your Marxist body paragraph, with an introduction, a conclusion and a works cited, that would give me an opportunity to read it and give you feedback. However, if you just want to talk about how it’s going so far, you would let me know in advance when you’re ready and then I would set up a chat time and we would have a conversation. Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, whatever 22:14:59 tichure : in other words, 22:15:05 Nicholas : Okay that works well 22:17:51 Nicholas : Okay I will do that 22:18:02 tichure : but at this point, I think it’s more important that you get verification that you’re on the right track for the paper 22:18:41 tichure : anything else I can help you with right now? 22:19:28 Nicholas : Okay yes that sounds better 22:19:34 tichure : great 22:19:57 Nicholas : No I think I have a better understand now. I will message you Tuesday if I still have questions. 22:20:01 Nicholas : Thank you Professor. I appreciate your help, and patient explaining this to me. 22:20:40 tichure : my pleasure. You are smart to reach out to get clarification. I hope it Helps 22:21:32 tichure : you got it 22:21:39 tichure : anything else for now? 22:22:15 Nicholas : No that it is all. Thank you again for your help! 22:22:55 tichure : poof