20:53:29 tichure : Hey there Samantha. how are you doing 20:53:55 Samantha : hi! I’m doing okay. how are you? 20:54:03 tichure : okay. How can I help you 20:56:34 Samantha : I wasn’t sure how this works. Is this is we just have questions? 20:56:38 Samantha : if we * 20:56:40 tichure : sure 20:56:50 tichure : or I can ask you what your research papers going to be on and we can have a conversation about it 20:57:38 Samantha : for the paper 1 I chose to write about pat mora 20:57:40 Samantha : la migra 20:57:42 tichure : okay 20:57:56 Samantha : but I was wondering are we to just write about the poem itself 20:57:58 tichure : and what 2 critical perspectives are you going to apply on the first draft 20:58:00 Samantha : or more so pat mora 20:58:10 tichure : well it depends on the critical perspective, but it always comes back to the poem 20:58:19 tichure : the only analysis that is relevant to the author personally is Marxist criticism 20:58:46 tichure : Marxist criticism is a critical perspective that explains the authors point, the method by which the author tries to get that point across, and her intended audience. Knowing who the author is and why she wrote this is part of that analysis. 20:59:07 tichure : The other critical analyses are going to be translations of the work from a viewpoint other than what the author intended 20:59:46 tichure : they don’t even take into account who the author is. They are simply focusing on what the message says and whether or not they agree with it and whether they agree with what is portrayed in the poem 20:59:56 tichure : what kind of resources did you find 21:00:02 Samantha : okay so I will be mainly be focusing on Marxist Criticism then. That gives me some direction now. thank you! 21:00:11 tichure : well you also have to have a second analysis 21:00:25 tichure : did you find any historical information about this issue 21:00:26 Samantha : for pat mora and la migra I didn’t find many second viewpoint that I felt would be accepted or reliable 21:00:40 Samantha : I found mostly other essay, I assume won’t be acceptable to go off of 21:00:52 Samantha : I mainly found information about immigration 21:00:55 tichure : well understand that most of the information about the issue itself are not going to talk about the poem 21:00:57 tichure : perfect. 21:00:59 Samantha : the topic she was referring to 21:01:03 tichure : Is there more than one side to this particular argument 21:01:30 Samantha : some on the side of immigration and some on the opposite side. would this be acceptable to talk about? 21:01:44 tichure : in other words, are there people who are going to agree with the author that the border patrol is the bad guy and the immigrants are the good guys? 21:01:50 tichure : Yes it is acceptable 21:02:26 tichure : likewise, are there people who were going to disagree with the author and who are going to claim the border patrol are the good guys and that the immigrants are the bad guys? 21:02:34 Samantha : oh okay, yes I can definitely find some articles in regards to that 21:02:41 tichure : So here’s the deal 21:02:49 tichure : in your question that you asked me, there are three different translations 21:02:56 tichure : not counting the Marxist criticism, which is the author’s own opinion 21:03:03 tichure : the first would be historical criticism. 21:03:17 tichure : Historical criticism would be an OBJECTIVE analysis that determines whether or not what is portrayed in the poem is actually true 21:03:34 tichure : statistically, have border patrol officials been accused of and convicted of sexually assaulting immigrants? 21:04:29 From Samantha to tichure(Direct Message) : oh yes I see! and Yes there have been a lot of things on the border patrol’s end that could raise some concern 21:04:33 tichure : Or the border patrol agents armed and do they drive around in vehicles to guard the border? 21:04:38 tichure : Are the border patrol agents 21:04:54 Samantha : so basically I need to pick a side or describe both sides? 21:04:56 tichure : D\o border patrol agents on the southern border speak Spanish? 21:05:02 tichure : Well actually, each side is a different paragraph 21:05:08 tichure : historical criticism is not going to take a side 21:05:13 tichure : historical criticism is simply going to explain the realities 21:05:23 tichure : it will point out that statistically, border patrol agents have been accused of and convicted of sexual assault 21:05:42 tichure : it will point out that the illegal immigrants, through the use of coyotes, will have places to hide, fresh water and food, and even use special languages and signals in order to avoid detection 21:05:57 Samantha : okay perfect. thank you for all your help! I am on my break at work and wanted to jump on really quick to get any help I can. I saved the messages to help me write my paper. thank you again! 21:06:06 tichure : it will point out that the border patrol agent is indeed armed and that he does use sunglasses in the sun and even drives a vehicle similar to a Jeep 21:06:08 tichure : but 21:06:19 tichure : historical criticism will also point out that any border patrol agent who works on the southern border must speak Spanish 21:06:25 tichure : it will also point out that they do not drive alone 21:07:48 tichure : you could also translate this from the border patrol’s perspective 21:07:51 tichure : which would be a different paragraph 21:08:00 tichure : this would be among the people who think that illegal immigrant are criminals 21:08:05 tichure : and that the border patrol agents are heroes 21:08:10 tichure : they would have a completely different viewpoint than the author 21:08:29 tichure : and you would use resources from those people who disagree with the author to discuss their views not only of the situation, but how they WOULD view the poem 21:08:40 tichure : so you have a Marxist criticism which explains the author’s viewpoint and why she thinks that 21:08:54 tichure : you could have a historical criticism that simply explains the realities and would show both accuracy and inaccuracy in the poem 21:09:06 tichure : and you could have a cultural criticism from either the border patrol or from anti-immigrant groups who would hate this poem 21:09:18 tichure : and you could even do a feminist criticism that would focus on the gender issues rather than the specifics of the border issue 21:09:28 tichure : in which they would point out that sexual assault against women, especially by those in authority, is quite common 21:09:42 tichure : and they would agree that women need to band together not to enter the country illegally, but to avoid and survive sexual assault by men 21:10:00 tichure : and other words, the feminist is not going to be focused on illegal immigration. They are going to focus on the rights of women 21:10:09 tichure : all you need is two different critical perspectives for the first paper 21:10:31 tichure : I would suggest a Marxist criticism in which you can use interview with the author and essays about her writing in general which is generally feminist and pro-Latinx 21:10:45 tichure : historical criticism would be good to establish the realities of what is discussed in the poem 21:10:59 tichure : or you could do a cultural criticism from that anti-immigrant status 21:11:11 tichure : by the way, you will find that there is a rather significant group of Mexican Americans who are against illegal immigration 21:11:19 tichure : because it makes them look bad to the larger population 21:11:36 tichure : and because they are inclined to follow the rules, illegal immigrants slow down the ability for their relatives to get across legally 21:11:42 tichure : so there are various ways to translate the work 21:11:46 tichure : and all you need are two of them 21:11:49 tichure : so 21:11:56 tichure : think about it and we can have a discussion about this again 21:12:33 Samantha : thank you so much! 21:12:48 Samantha : have a great night! 21:13:39 tichure : poof