19:52:02 From tichure : any questions about your research paper. 19:53:28 From Nick : no I think I’m okay with that, just need to work on most of the format, but last question for the presentation, I talk about the war in Iraq, do I need a reference for that to explain the situation so I can then talk about what Mayer is saying or can I just talk about what’s Mayer is saying about the war? 19:56:48 From tichure : For any Marxist criticism, you’re going to be identifying specific points he’s trying to make. In order for that to be clear to the reader, you would then have to give a synopsis of the reference that he’s making. For example, if your argument was that he makes a reference to “war for oil” you would have to explain that the vice president had promise that this particular military action would result in lower oil prices, and also that there were claims that this was about taking the Iraqi oil reserves rather than freeing the Iraqi people. In other words, what’s relevant to the authors point is what becomes relevant in terms of historical information. 19:57:19 From tichure : You don’t want your Marxist criticism to become a history lesson, but you do have to backfill the context to which he refers. 19:57:46 From Nick : alright, and those need references right? I can’t make those claims on my own 19:58:23 From tichure : Of course. 19:58:44 From tichure : Remember, this type of class is not about the knowledge that you’ve accumulated. It’s about your ability to demonstrate research and substantiation claims through research. 19:59:02 From Nick : alright thank you so much professor, my break is over so I have to go but I appreciate your help! 19:59:32 From tichure : My pleasure. have a good day 20:48:35 From angela : HI Mr. Eiland! Its Angela! 20:48:43 From tichure : hey there angela. how can i help you 20:50:25 From angela : ok, so about my paper, I just want to go through some things because I really wanty to get it right is that ok? 20:50:31 From tichure : of course 20:50:35 From tichure : fire way 20:50:43 From angela : ok so the first part is correct? 20:52:26 From tichure : In order to speed this up, look at the comments I gave you and tell me something that I told you that is not clear to you. 20:52:47 From angela : ok, 20:52:50 From tichure : Keep in mind that I do not explain how something is right. I simply explain what is not right and then I expect youto leave what I do not comment on in your paper 20:53:09 From tichure : your two critical perspectives were historical and Marxist correct? 20:56:20 From angela : yeah, so i will change the biographical to historical and I attempted to do cultural and feminist but you told me to redo the cultural and with that being said, I am confused, with cultural, do I tie in a certain culture that views his song? examople, cops culture viewing his song and find references? 20:57:35 From tichure : You will change the biographical to Marxist. If you are explaining what the author meant to say, you are doing Marxist criticism. 20:58:03 From angela : oh ok 20:58:03 From tichure : You are using the authors life and his feelings about things that he discusses in the song as evidence that what is expressing in the song is based on his own experience and his actual feelings about real people and events 20:58:07 From tichure : that's Marxist criticism 20:58:32 From tichure : as I was explaining, your cultural information is actually mostly about what was going on in the authors world and how it affected him, which is also Marxist criticism. 20:59:04 From angela : oh okay, I understand that part 20:59:24 From tichure : If you want to do an actual cultural perspective, as you noted, you would choose a culture that you think would have a contrarian view of the situation and this woman. Based on the fact that this woman is a drug user and has multiple sex partners and children from various men she has not married, any conservative religion is going to say that that woman is living in sin. 21:00:10 From tichure : You would find, for example, what some conservative Christian or conservative Muslim religion says about sex, about drug use, even about taking welfare or working outside the home in such and you would find that they actually conservative versions, especially those that are patriarchal, would not see this woman is a good mother and all 21:00:12 From tichure : at all 21:00:50 From tichure : this paragraph would not discuss the author. It simply is that culture looking at the song. They’re not talking about shakur’s mother. They’re talking about the woman describing the song, but they don’t know she is. 21:01:27 From tichure : You would obviously use quotation from the song, but they would refer to the song, not the author’s mother personally, and simply say the woman described in the song is going against such and such a rule or commandment law and therefore we do not believe she’s a good mother. 21:01:48 From tichure : Your secondary sources would be from their website or even from the Bible or the Koran or whatever is the guidebook for that particular religion 21:03:05 From tichure : you’re right, you could do a police response. They would look at the legal aspects of this. this particular person left her children alone for several hours unsupervised, which is illegal. She is using an illegal narcotics. She is raising a felon. They don’t care about the marriage part. They’re concerned about legality. They would disagree with the song that says that this woman is being described is a good mother. They would say she Belongs in jail. your secondary source material would be actual laws as well as commentary on police websites that talk about their views on drugs and child welfare 21:03:22 From tichure : does that make sense? 21:04:52 From angela : oh okay, I understand that part now. Thanks, lastly, if I use feminist, you said I use the feminists perspective, what sources would I be able to find that? 21:06:25 From angela : I tried usisng the African american feminists but should I use the same source but talk about the song as an african american feminist? 21:08:19 From tichure : you would have to go to several feminist websites and find out what they believe concerning the issues brought up in the song, including women being left to raise children because they were abandoned by men who are basically deadbeat dads, the fact that women make less money than men anyway but especially if they have children, and they wanted knowledge that public assistance for these women is necessary. They would actually agree with the author on most of the things that he mentions. The only part that they might either not agree with or they may simply not comment on it all is the drug use itself. Generally feminists do not have a platform on drug use although African-American feminists might make the assertion that the average American population was targeted by the government for use of narcotics and therefore it is no surprise that she has come to this or that her son goes out to sell drugs in order to make money because jobs are not available to the oppressed. 21:08:35 From tichure : That the African-American population was targeted by the government 21:09:14 From tichure : it was heroin during the 1960s and it was cocaine during the 1980s and 90s. It helped fuel the American activities in South America. South Americans didn’t have money. They had cocaine 21:09:22 From tichure : anyway, anyone of these analyses would work. 21:10:07 From tichure : Again, the feminist will not talk about Afeni personally. They will say that the woman describing the song deserves respect because she was left to raise children alone, as many women are. If women were paid better, she would need welfare. If we had childcare, she wouldn’t need 21:10:44 From tichure : If women were paid better, she would NOT need welfare. 21:10:51 From tichure : If women had childcare, she would not need to leave them alone. 21:10:59 From tichure : These are all part of the feminist political platform. 21:11:07 From tichure : Conversely, Republicans would disagree with just about everything the song says. 21:11:11 From tichure : They are anti-drug 21:11:14 From tichure : anti-welfare 21:11:45 From tichure : anticrime etc. They would find nothing redeeming about this person, this is especially true for those Republicans who identify with conservative Christian religion, which means the whole child out of wedlock thing would be an issue for them too. 21:12:04 From tichure : Do you think you have something to work with now? 21:15:34 From angela : Yes! this helped alot. Also, I tried to follow your ouline about the example, primary source, response, secondary source in the order you described , should I follow that or do I include more of the song lyrics and howto do it accurately? 21:15:48 From tichure : Do some research and you can pop into the chat tomorrow between seven and nine and you can ask me questions about what you found and we can talk about sources that you are intending to use so that you can get verification that you’re on the right track. 21:16:23 From tichure : The order in the outline is a suggestion. How you format the quotations really is about balance. Every time you make a claim about something happening in the song, give me a quotation from the song. Every time you make an evaluation or explanation as to what particular translation means, use a secondary source.\ 21:16:45 From tichure : Make sure I know what the critical perspective is in the topic sentence of that paragraph. 21:18:26 From angela : ooooooh ok ok. I'm gonna get to it now and will work on the outline too and Ill be in the chat tomorow and show you what I have 21:18:41 From angela : Thanks alot for clarifying!!!!! 21:18:53 From tichure : My pleasure. We will chat tomorrow. 21:21:51 From tichure : poof