19:09:02 From tichure : Hey Alex. 19:09:08 From tichure : Just waiting for people to wander in 19:09:20 From Alexander : Okay 19:09:49 From tichure : . Obviously, you just got a bunch of information, so after you read that, you’ll have a better understanding, the purpose of this particular conversation is about the research paper. You want to see the “choose your term paper subject” folder on canvas to see your options for the paper 19:11:17 From tichure : Hey Madison. Just waiting for people to filter in 19:11:38 From Madison : Okay, thank you. 19:11:54 From Alexander : So this would be considered your office hours? 19:12:46 From tichure : for all intents and purposes, yes 19:13:13 From tichure : and obviously, you will have a specific one for your class on either Monday or Tuesday, depending whether you’re taking English 103 or you’re taking one of the lit courses. 19:13:48 From tichure : while waiting, has everybody at least looked at the options for the research paper topics? 19:13:59 From Madison : Yes 19:14:27 From Alexander : I have not 19:14:29 From tichure : Madison, did you have an idea as to your topic 19:14:38 From Madison : I’m 19:14:42 From tichure : Alexander, you probably have some better ideas by either tomorrow or by next Tuesday. 19:15:05 From tichure : You have a much greater range to choose from, and as the instruction indicates, if you have an idea for work that is not a list, simply email me and asked me if I’m familiar with the work. If I am, you’re good to go. 19:15:19 From tichure : Hey Jasmine. 19:15:22 From Madison : I’m leaning towards “Dear Mama” by Shakur. 19:15:25 From tichure : Have you seen the topics for the research paper? 19:15:34 From tichure : That’s a popular choice Madison 19:15:34 From jazmin. : yes 19:15:42 From tichure : do you have an idea for the topic Jasmine? 19:16:27 From tichure : Madison, obviously your next step is to start gathering valid resources. While you will find only a few things on Ebscohost and other “literary” resources, you’ll find a lot in standard periodicals, such as Rolling Stone and such. Also there is a veritable cornucopia of material available on YouTube and wish the main figures associated with the author and the story He is telling are interviewed. 19:17:11 From tichure : will wait another five minutes or so and then we will get started. In the meantime Roman, you might want to check out the list of suggested things or if you already have a work in mind that fits within the horror genre, run by me now. 19:17:19 From jazmin. : La Migra by Pat Mora 19:17:41 From tichure : A popular choice as well Jasmine. 19:17:48 From Madison : Thank you for the advice! 19:17:55 From tichure : Keep in mind that you are going to be required to find at least one critical perspective that is directly in opposition to what the author is trying to say. 19:17:59 From Alexander : Okay you mentioned a zoom meeting for tomorrow as well, would that be the same as this one right now and the ones for our specific class? (213) 19:18:15 From tichure : What people choose to work because they like the author or the like the point of view that the work is espousing about the topic. You have to be up to argue against it. 19:18:39 From tichure : That’s right Alexander. I was unable to attend on Tuesday for the literature courses and so I am having a one only Thursday session for this week to give away started and that of course is where you will get more generalized questions answered concerning the course 19:18:56 From tichure : http://www.englit.org/eiland_shared/resource/horrorlit.htm In the meantime Roman, check this link out and see if there’s something on there that rings a bell 19:19:20 From tichure : Jasmine, because you’ve chosen something that falls within the standard literary canon, you will find plenty of material on the author on Ebscohost and Gale 19:19:53 From tichure : but obviously you will also find a lot of contextual material (the resources that discussed the situation, not the author or the poem) that will be useful in plenty of periodicals, considering the “popularity” of the immigration situation, especially concerning Mexico 19:20:10 From tichure : this will be good for both your Marxist criticism and your historical criticism. 19:20:35 From tichure : You also want to check out resources that discuss what the anti-immigrant factions in this country feel about situation because you will need one of those perspectives for the final draft of your paper. 19:20:58 From tichure : They’re not going to discuss the poem. They’re going to discuss the situation, and as part of that you will be evaluating whether or not they agree that the author’s portrayal of the situation is correct and whether they agree with the author’s editorial as espoused in the work. 19:21:18 From Alexander : No they do not ring a bell 19:21:56 From tichure : The same goes for discussing “dear mama” as he is making a claim that a drug addicted woman who has multiple children out of wedlock and relies on welfare should be respected. There are plenty of cultural groups, religious groups, and people of particular experience would fundamentally disagree with that stance. That means Jasmine you’ll have to find a way to analyze this In a way directly in opposition to Shakur’s claims 19:22:17 From tichure : in that case Alexander, consider the material that you like to read or watch that would make you want to take a class like this in the first place and run some ideas by me. That list is not exhaustive 19:22:44 From Alexander : Okay, I will have to think of some. 19:22:54 From tichure : remember, your choosing something that 1) you know well, normally two) you have access to and 3) has analysis that will be applicable to a college-level research paper 19:23:04 From tichure : no pressure. You may have some ideas by next week. 19:23:25 From Alexander : Okay thank you. 19:23:56 From tichure : Also, as you read through the assigned material for the course from the calendar, it may wind up some ideas as stuff that you didn’t quite remember either reading or watching that will help guide you to make a cogent choice 19:24:26 From tichure : okay folks, let me give you couple of bits here to consider concerning your research paper. 19:24:33 From tichure : This paper is the vast majority of your grade. 19:24:41 From tichure : You’re choosing wisely based on the specific criteria that I just gave to Alexander 19:25:01 From tichure : for the 103 class, the reason those items are on that list is because all of them fit within the criteria I gave him. For the lit classes, you have a lot more leeway, but that that is a double-edged sword 19:25:13 From tichure : ultimately, no matter what you choose, YOU have to find the research 19:25:31 From tichure : the college has gone to great lengths, will actually the research librarians have gone to great lengths to provide material that is specific for my classes 19:25:45 From tichure : with some excellent materials that are available through them as well as their knowledge of my classes in case you want to contact them directly 19:26:08 From tichure : because I use unconventional material in my classes, they have helped supplement my courses with both primary and secondary material that is incredibly helpful 19:26:12 From tichure : but they are not doing the research 19:26:17 From tichure : they are showing you where to find the research 19:26:37 From tichure : your essay will be four different critical analysis of the same work by the end of the semester 19:26:41 From tichure : your first paper will be two of them 19:26:48 From tichure : ideally, those two translations will be different. 19:27:18 From tichure : The whole concept behind critical theory is that any given literary work, movie, poem, television show, political situation, social situation etc. has various responses to it. Another words, there is no truth 19:27:20 From tichure : there is no single answer 19:27:32 From tichure : if there were, it would not be art 19:27:35 From tichure : and it would not be translatable 19:27:53 From Alexander : Okay. Also, I know this meeting was mainly about the research paper but I was a little confused when I read those zoom times on your “englitchat” chat room. So to be clear, those are your office hours for specific classes, and not lectures ? 19:27:56 From tichure : if something draws you because you like it and it speaks to you, will have for you against your own predilections and believes at some point in your paper 19:28:03 From tichure : that is correct 19:28:17 From tichure : the lectures are on the website Alexander 19:28:24 From Alexander : Okay thank you 19:28:33 From tichure : Jasmine and Madison, you have chosen something that has a controversial stance 19:28:45 From tichure : whether it is a social issue (drug use, poverty, social services, relationships) 19:28:49 From Alexander : We can access those through canvas right? 19:28:53 From tichure : or a political issue (illegal immigration) 19:28:56 From tichure : yes Alexander 19:29:01 From Alexander : Thank you. 19:29:03 From tichure : everything is on canvas 19:29:09 From tichure : you got it 19:29:17 From tichure : there are two different kinds of resources 19:29:24 From tichure : you have the material is directly analyzing the work itself 19:29:40 From tichure : that means they are going to mention the author and the work itself 19:29:49 From tichure : then there are contextual resources 19:30:14 From tichure : these are the things that you find the talk about what people who wrote the work are talking about 19:30:18 From tichure : you need to know the context 19:30:33 From tichure : Jasmine, you’re doing LaMigra? 19:30:39 From jazmin. : yes 19:30:43 From tichure : Madison, you’re doing “dear mama” 19:31:30 From Madison : yes 19:32:16 From tichure : Jasmine, you need to understand the realities of immigrating illegally to the United States, both the good and the bad from both sides. You will need statistical information that discusses not only how people get here, but now they are treated not only by the immigration officials, but also by the coyotes that they hired to bring them across. This has to do with whether or not the idealized camaraderie that is portrayed in the poem is actually true 19:32:45 From tichure : like you said, you’re going to have to find, at some point, how anti-immigration people, whether they are politicians or they are the actual border patrol or whatever feel about the situation in order to understand what they WOULD feel if they will read that poem 19:33:19 From tichure : likewise, Madison the author is making a very specific claim about a lifestyle and his acceptance of it, not only his own behaviors and actions, but also those of his mother and his father 19:33:23 From tichure : some of which he praises 19:33:28 From tichure : and some which he condemns 19:33:41 From tichure : and as part of that, you will have to take an opposing side, whether it is a particular religion that has to do with what they perceive as the moral behavior of the participants 19:33:58 From tichure : or perhaps someone more on the governmental side, such as the police or social services, who would have problem with the behaviors of both the narrator and his mother 19:34:10 From tichure : for both of you, keep in mind that you must separate the author from the work for everything other than Marxist criticism 19:34:25 From tichure : Marxist criticism is a critical perspective that translates to work through explaining what the author is trying to say and WHY they believe what they are portraying 19:34:30 From tichure : that is when their life is relevant to the work 19:34:43 From tichure : but after that, your historical analyses and other cultural analyses do not take into account wrote it and why. 19:35:09 From tichure : they don’t know who the author is. Don’t care. They are responding to what the work says 19:35:12 From tichure : and whether they agree with it 19:35:27 From tichure : your job, now that you’ve found a work, is to find nine resources that will help you to write your paper 19:35:36 From tichure : have either of you done any research on that aspect so far? 19:35:54 From tichure : By the way, I use Dragon speak. I talk, it types. That means there are often mistakes. If I say something that seems more idiotic than usual, just let me know and I will clarify it. 19:36:54 From Madison : Understood. I haven’t started research yet, I was going to begin either tonight or tomorrow. 19:37:05 From tichure : sounds good Madison 19:37:20 From tichure : by the way, because you’re both in the 103 course, you will notice that at the end of the list of modules, there is a module for each topic for the research paper. 19:37:31 From tichure : This is where you may interface with other members of the class were doing the same topic 19:37:34 From tichure : in order to share ideas 19:37:38 From tichure : discussed resources 19:38:02 From tichure : and of course at some point, share your papers back and forth for peer editing, as you’ll want someone who understands the topic to read your paper for clarity and logic 19:38:28 From tichure : have either of you read any information about the critical perspectives themselves, which I believe would be historical and biographical for the first week or so. 19:39:01 From Madison : Yes. I read them both, and took notes. 19:39:13 From jazmin. : Yes 19:39:21 From tichure : Excellent 19:39:23 From tichure : so here’s the deal 19:39:32 From tichure : every critical perspective has limitations on its applicability 19:39:39 From tichure : you cannot do a biographical criticism of something that is autobiographical 19:39:50 From tichure : you can do Marxist criticism of something that is or isn’t autobiographical 19:40:01 From tichure : Jasmine, have you gotten any information about Pat Mora? 19:40:16 From tichure : Madison, same question to you about Tupac Shakur 19:40:28 From Madison : Not yet 19:40:31 From tichure : let me rephrase something 19:41:14 From tichure : you CANNOT do a biographical criticism that is NOT autobiographical 19:41:53 From tichure : you want to get a fairly comprehensive and well researched biography of your author. Sometimes the authors own website will offer that, but once your author is dead, especially in a spectacular manner, all kinds of well researched articles show up in newspapers, magazines and other periodicals. 19:42:10 From tichure : Madison, you will also find that there are some movies and other documentaries available through resources like YouTube that discuss the author’s life 19:42:25 From tichure : because these will be important in terms of either putting biographical criticism in the mix or eliminating as an option 19:42:38 From jazmin. : Yes, I scanned through a source. I believed she lived in Texas so she witnessed or heard a lot of the issues happening near the border. 19:42:49 From tichure : yes, Jasmine, but is she an illegal immigrant? 19:42:52 From tichure : Or 19:42:57 From tichure : does she work for the border patrol? 19:43:18 From tichure : If both of those answers is no, you cannot do biographical criticism 19:43:31 From tichure : because biographical criticism basically takes the work itself and verifies that what is being portrayed in the work actually happened to the author 19:43:53 From tichure : it doesn’t mean she doesn’t have beliefs because of her culture, her experiences, and where she lives, but in order to discuss THAT, you would use MARXIST criticism 19:44:34 From tichure : Madison, if you find out that Afeni Shakur actually was a crack addict, that the author was kicked out of 17 and that he is serve time, you can do biographical criticism 19:44:51 From tichure : but you cannot do both biographical and Marxist because the Marxist criticism will include the biographical information anyway 19:44:58 From tichure : that would be repetitious 19:45:09 From tichure : so 19:45:15 From tichure : you have some reading to do 19:45:27 From tichure : which will inform our next conversation because then you will have more guidelines as to what’s going to work and what does not 19:45:31 From tichure : find out who your author is or was 19:45:45 From tichure : find out about the situation itself so you have a very broad understanding of both sides of the argument 19:45:59 From tichure : if you find something valuable, put it into a list 19:46:04 From tichure : even if you may not end up using it. 19:46:22 From tichure : Ultimately, you want that annotated works cited to begin with. You will then choose from that, and even add to it later on, in order to write the first draft 19:46:30 From tichure : any questions so far 19:49:25 From tichure : hey there Ren. 19:49:35 From tichure : have you looked at the topics available for the research paper 19:49:36 From Renfang : Hi 19:51:19 From tichure : Jasmine? Madison? Do you have any questions 19:51:37 From Madison : Thank you for the information. When I’m finished with the annotated works cited for the first draft, would critical perspectives such as biographical and cultural be allowed? I saw on CANVAS that biographical and Marxist couldn’t be together, and that cultural and Marxist couldn’t be together, but it never said anything on biographical and cultural being together. 19:52:09 From tichure : because biographical criticism is explaining who the author is and cultural criticism is a translation from some Other cultural group, you can do them together. 19:52:15 From tichure : but let me give you this bit of advice 19:52:21 From tichure : if you find yourself explaining what the author meant to say 19:52:29 From tichure : explaining what the author feels about the various situations portrayed 19:52:32 From tichure : you are doing Marxist criticism 19:52:43 From tichure : Marxist criticism of an autobiographical piece is going to use biographical information as supporting evidence 19:53:02 From tichure : so for all intents and purposes, I usually tell people simply to do a Marxist criticism because it will have all the biographical information in it that’s relevant to the work 19:53:06 From tichure : which brings up another point 19:53:13 From tichure : folks, a biographical criticism is not a biography 19:53:27 From tichure : is an explanation of the work relating ONLY to the autobiographical items mentioned in the work itself 19:53:29 From tichure : which means 19:53:46 From tichure : Shakur being arrested after the work was published is not relevant 19:53:51 From tichure : being a musician is not relevant 19:53:55 From tichure : dying is not relevant 19:54:00 From tichure : because none of those things are in the story he tells 19:54:22 From tichure : in fact, when he wrote this poem, 19:54:55 From tichure : he thought is father was dead as that what afeni had told him 19:55:14 From tichure : he did not meet his father until after he had been shot 19:55:52 From tichure : Anyway, Madison, keep that in mind 19:56:01 From Madison : Thank you 19:56:02 From tichure : remember that any cultural analysis requires that you identify the culture specifically and tell us two things 19:56:14 From tichure : the first is whether they agree that what is portrayed actually happens (you are not discussing whether or not they like it) 19:56:26 From tichure : the second is whether they agree with the authors editorial or opinion expressed concerning those things. 19:56:51 From tichure : Both immigrant advocates and the border patrol will admit that there have been abuses by border patrol agents of immigrants. How rampant that is is a matter of opinion 19:57:07 From tichure : both conservative religionists and people living in the drug world will agree that addiction happens 19:57:15 From tichure : what they think about it and whether it is acceptable is another deal 19:57:42 From tichure : Renfang have you seen the topics for the research paper? 19:58:45 From tichure : Madison, we will be discussing this again on Monday, so if you have nothing else I can do for you, you can run off and do some research. The other option is that you can leave the window open and start your research. If you come across any issues, you can hit me up while in here. I’m here for another hour 19:58:59 From tichure : Jasmine, same thing. 19:59:18 From tichure : You are not required to be here the entire time, although you’re certainly welcome 19:59:28 From tichure : use this platform as you need 20:00:53 From Madison: Understood. One last question, when can we expect to find this chat in the chat archives? 20:01:14 From Madison: that was meant for everyone 20:01:53 From tichure : the chat archives get posted by Sunday night, but usually it is earlier than that. 20:02:26 From Madison : Ok. Thank you Professor! 20:02:40 From tichure : If you want a more immediate transcription, just copy and paste the whole thing onto a word doc. 20:02:45 From jazmin. : I just wanted to clarify that the two perspectives that are going to be discussed in the paper are from week 1 & 2? 20:04:16 From tichure : actually no, Jasmine. Look at the first paper assignment 20:04:33 From tichure : I think I give you biographical, historical, Marxist, feminist, and cultural at least 20:04:40 From tichure : it’s not limited to the first couple weeks as far as I remember per se 20:04:50 From tichure : if you look at the first draft paper assignment 20:04:57 From tichure : or the one that says I think “start first paper draft” 20:05:05 From tichure : it gives you the range of critical perspectives that I’m looking for on the first paper 20:05:19 From tichure : check it out and if you questions, let me know 20:05:39 From tichure : if you have any questions, let me know 20:06:08 From tichure : also folks 20:06:29 From jazmin. : Okay, thank you. 20:06:52 From Renfang : after I find the topic that I want to work with do I need to send an email or do something else to let you know? 20:07:40 From tichure : no, Ren. 20:07:44 From tichure : just choose one 20:07:54 From tichure : all the items on the 103 list are good to go. 20:08:05 From tichure : They are on that list because all of them are good resource material for this research paper. 20:08:56 From tichure : Your choosing based on your understanding and knowledge of the work itself, your understanding and knowledge of the topic or topics that it covers, and your ability to find secondary source material that would be appropriate for a college-level research paper. 20:09:24 From tichure : All of you should’ve received my discussion concerning research material. Remember, were not doing a bunch of Wikipedia posts. You are doing actual college research that will be expected from you more and more as you rise up through the college and university ranks. 20:10:00 From tichure : If you decide to go to a four year university, you will find you are still using Ebscohost, Jstor, Gale 20:10:08 From tichure : those are standard databases for college-level research 20:10:11 From tichure : no matter what your major is 20:11:32 From tichure : anyway folks, you can start your research and I will be here Until 9 o’clock. If you have any questions, let me know. 20:11:44 From tichure : after that, if you quick question, shoot me an email and I answer my email in 24 hours. 20:11:54 From tichure : If you do not get an answer within 24 hours, I did not get the email. This is especially important if you are sending me work. 20:12:22 From tichure : if you send me something and you do not get an email from ME that says “got it” within 24 hours, send it again 20:14:42 From Madison : Okay. Thank you for your help, Professor! Have a good night! 20:16:41 From tichure : you too Madison 20:18:37 From jazmin. : Okay. Thank you. 20:18:49 From tichure : yer welcome Jasmine 20:24:24 From tichure : if you any specific questions about the course of the research paper, you can always send an email 20:24:35 From tichure : whatever works for you. 20:24:41 From tichure : Also, check out the archives on weekly basis. 20:24:44 From tichure: That will certainly help 20:24:55 From tichure: including the introduction chats that will help explain much of how the class works 20:27:00 From Renfang: Got it. So I have to decided which topic I'm going to work with. Because I haven't go through all of them, it may take me some time. 20:28:28 From tichure : you’re looking at the “choose your research paper topic” folder, and for most people, is whether or not they’re familiar with the work or the work is something that they would be interested in covering. 20:28:39 From tichure: Check it out over the rest of the week and you’ll have some better ideas as to what might work for you 20:29:24 From tichure : for something like Star Wars, not only would I recommend that you see the movie, but also that you have the DVD so you have the extras. 20:29:41 From tichure : But there’s also plenty of material on YouTube interviewing Lucas and the other directors 20:30:11 From tichure : if you’re unfamiliar with all of them, you’ll have to do some reading 20:30:41 From tichure : Gilman, glaspell, Miller and Poe are going to be the most conventional and have the most material available through standard resources 20:30:59 From tichure : Shakur and Lucas will require deeper research through more unconventional resources 20:31:24 From Renfang to tichure: Ok, thank you. 20:31:49 From tichure : you’re welcome. 20:33:06 From tichure : once you’ve chosen something, there is an opportunity for you to interact with other students doing the same topic in order to share ideas, pool resources, and of course do the paper exchange near the end of the semester. 20:33:37 From tichure : Can I help you with anything else? 20:35:38 From Renfang : I‘m good for now. I will working on the topic. thank you, have a good night 20:36:08 From tichure : You too 20:36:10 From tichure : Po