- You joined the Main Room. ( 6:43 PM ) - - Your chat permission has been enabled. ( 6:43 PM ) - tichure 6:40 PM 103 - emily103 joined the Main Room. ( 7:07 PM ) - - Lmarcia 1 joined the Main Room. ( 7:13 PM ) - - Lmarcia 1 left the Main Room. ( 7:13 PM ) - - 985146 joined the Main Room. ( 7:14 PM ) - tichure 7:13 PM hey now folks i was checking emails of the late adds 7:14 PM have you all read the archived chats? 7:14 PM emily103 7:17 PM Hello! I have not read quite all of them yet - dhall joined the Main Room. ( 7:21 PM ) - 985146 7:17 PM Hello. I have read some. tichure 7:17 PM ok. well let's get a few things clear with a quiz 7:18 PM hahaha 7:18 PM dhall 7:18 PM Hello? Am I in? 7:18 PM tichure 7:18 PM Hey there Hall yes you are 7:18 PM 985146 7:19 PM Sounds great. tichure 7:19 PM or we are experiencing a rare shared hallucination. Folks, how many tests do you need to complete by the end of the semester? 7:19 PM dhall 7:19 PM 1 ? 7:19 PM emily103 7:19 PM One on campus 985146 7:19 PM 1 tichure 7:19 PM Be confident, hall 985146 7:19 PM 1 on campus tichure 7:19 PM that is also correct Emily. dhall 7:19 PM 1 I'm sorry and my namiel is Daniel 7:20 PM tichure 7:20 PM I will likely give you more than one chance for this, but you'll get at least one chance and it will be in the middle of the semester. By the time we get to that point, you will understand fully what we are doing in terms of essay content in this course. Hall, for the purposes of clarity for those of us who were in the room, I am addressing you by some portion of your moniker so that way everyone knows when I'm talking to them individually. 7:20 PM And don't be sorry. 7:21 PM 985146 7:21 PM Perfect. dhall 7:21 PM ok thank you tichure 7:21 PM It's all about having a conversation and learning stuff. How many responses do you need to complete by the end of the semester? 7:21 PM dhall 7:21 PM 5 emily103 7:21 PM 5 tichure 7:21 PM And that wil Yield you what? 985146 7:21 PM 5 an A 7:21 PM emily103 7:21 PM An A tichure 7:21 PM for participation correct dhall 7:22 PM An A tichure 7:22 PM what if you do less than five? 985146 7:22 PM You can complete 6 but it will not count as extra credit tichure 7:22 PM hahhaha emily103 7:22 PM 4 will earn a B, 3 will earn a C, 2 will earn a D if i remember correctly tichure 7:22 PM 985, once I have told you that you have COMPLETED your fifth, I will encourage you not to do any extra, for it only causes both of us extra work. 985146 7:22 PM and i am nycole. unsure why my username has numbers. dhall 7:22 PM Your grade will lower tichure 7:23 PM Emily has the breakdown, but the rest of you are correct in the general context. 985146 7:23 PM :) emily103 7:23 PM And the responses will each be on a separate primary source for the given week right? dhall 7:23 PM Yes tichure 7:24 PM Understand that I'm going to give you more than five opportunities to get these done. For some people, this is a matter of organization and time management. If you have other courses that are going to load up at the end of the semester, this course included with the final paper, you will want to get responses out of the way early on. There is also another benefit to that approach. The purpose of the responses is for me to give you feedback on your writing style. The responses are shorter versions of everything you do in this class for me and therefore you're going to be getting information from me as to content, format and other issues like grammar that will be relevant to other things that you do for me in the course. That is correct Emily. 7:24 PM emily103 7:24 PM perfect tichure 7:24 PM Frankly, you can do a response for any work that we cover once we have passed that particular item in its week you'll notice that most of the categories are pretty general, such as any poem or any play etc. 7:24 PM I don't want you to run off and do the first five poems because understanding how to apply these critical perspectives to a play or to another fiction work is also important so spread out a bit. Also, be realistic. I have to Grade everybody's stuff so the reason I set dates for things is so that I can get through all the work by the of the semester and at same time get work back in a timely manner. 7:25 PM also, a quick note. For the purposes of chat and also for your online grading, I use Dragon speak. It types when I talk. It is not entirely accurate. Therefore if I screw something up in this particular chat, I usually rephrase it correctly and use the word SIGH as an indicator so when I edit this for posting online, I know where to find mistakes. If you get an email that has some gibberish in it, shoot an email back asking for clarification. 7:26 PM I check them before I send them, but after the 50th paper, I get a little bleary 7:26 PM now let's talk about the meat and potatoes of this course. 7:26 PM Here's a trick question. How many term papers will you complete during the course of this class? 7:26 PM dhall 7:27 PM Ok that sounds helpful because I'm still a high school freshman and this is all quite confusing to me emily103 7:28 PM One term paper, consisting of a first draft and final draft tichure 7:29 PM Very good Emily where do you get the topic? 7:29 PM 985146 7:29 PM 1 dhall 7:29 PM On canvas you posted topics for us to choose from correct? 985146 7:29 PM We get the topic from the Calendar. correct? emily103 7:29 PM you choose it during week one form the listed topics tichure 7:30 PM Hall and Emily you are correct. I believe I've given you two poems, two plays and two longer works, one of them being a movie or something along those lines. 7:30 PM Before we get to the first draft, what am I looking for from you… Immediately in fact? 7:30 PM In terms of the preparation of this particular assignment 7:31 PM dhall 7:31 PM Your topic correct? tichure 7:32 PM well something after that Hall it's the thing that you are using is the litmus test as to whether or not what you've chosen is going to be a good choice for paper 7:32 PM you would've done this in English 101 7:32 PM dhall 7:32 PM An organizer 985146 7:32 PM mla format emily103 7:32 PM annotated works cited 985146 7:32 PM and works cited haha 7:33 PM tichure 7:33 PM Emily and 985 yes nice save there 985 7:33 PM folks, you are gathering for me an annotated Works cited that is going to not only include the primary source, but also VALID and secondary source material that indicates to you and to me that you can find the resources necessary to write a college-level research paper 7:33 PM how many items need to be in that Works cited? 7:33 PM dhall 7:34 PM Oh I see emily103 7:34 PM 10 tichure 7:34 PM Yes Emily. dhall 7:34 PM 10 sources? tichure 7:34 PM Besides the primary source, what should also be included in those other nine items, whether you intend to use them or not? 985146 7:34 PM Thanks Emily. dhall 7:34 PM Ok tichure 7:34 PM See, we're already doing collaborative learning. emily103 7:35 PM one is the primary course, and the rest are secondary tichure 7:35 PM well Emily, we're looking for is what particular things you need in that secondary source category 7:35 PM I am glad you mentioned the primary/secondary thing. Folks, if you take a humanities course, such as history or something like that and they ask you to find a primary source on Abraham Lincoln, they want you to find something written BY Abraham Lincoln. 7:36 PM dhall 7:36 PM ok tichure 7:36 PM However, in literature, in which the work itself is the item under discussion (not a person or event) the primary source is the work on the discussion and any other work, whether it was written by that author or not, is a secondary source. Therefore, when I ask you or talk about the primary source, I'm asking you what work you are analyzing, whether it's Star Wars or "dear mama" or "the yellow wallpaper." 7:37 PM which brings me to the secondary sources. 7:37 PM In that annotated works cited list you need a valid biography of the author, whether it is relevant to a critical perspective or not. 7:37 PM emily103 7:37 PM Got it tichure 7:38 PM The biographical information will determine whether or not a biographical, Marxist or psychoanalytical criticism is relevant to the work. You have to have that biography is, nothing else, to know that you will not apply one of those author-based critical perspectives. The other thing you need is some kind of historical context which places the work within the era. Star Wars notwithstanding (it's a space fantasy so historic is not really relevant here) the other works are indeed relevant to the era in which the work was written and the issues that were going on at the time whether it's Edgar Allen Poe, Charlotte Perkins Gilman or Tupac Shakur 7:38 PM the rest should be direct literary analyses. For the older traditional works, these are money straight out of Gail 7:39 PM Gale 7:39 PM and Ebscohost 7:39 PM through the citrus college library 7:39 PM dhall 7:39 PM Ok so we need to use biographies on the creator such as Edgar allen poe in order to understand what there criticism was ? 7:39 PM tichure 7:40 PM you will also find helpful information for historical stuff through other parts of Ebscohost including newspaper and periodical articles concerning health issues and historical events, as well as articles in publications such as Rolling Stone etc. dhall 7:40 PM oh i see tichure 7:40 PM Hall, we will get to actual critical perspective shortly, but you need a biography of the author to determine whether or not a work is autobiographical. it's a matter of inclusion or exclusion. 7:40 PM dhall 7:40 PM ok I understand tichure 7:41 PM You don't know whether the work was autobiographical until you read the work and then you read the biography. Sometimes you read the biography to find out that what you're reading as a literary work is not autobiographical at all, even if it's first-person. For those people who are fond of the hip-hop/rap music, as well as heavy metal and country-western music, the use of the first person is quite common, even if the author is creating a work out of complete fantasy. Edgar Allan Poe of course made a career writing first-person narratives of people who commit all kinds of atrocities, but none of them are autobiographical. They are fantasy 7:41 PM 985146 7:41 PM ok dhall 7:41 PM So like "dear mama" it could be about tupac but us the readers aren't sure tichure 7:41 PM you need to know that. You cannot automatically assume that work is autobiographical. Until you have a biography that determines that the particular case hall. That is correct 7:42 PM dhall 7:42 PM Ok I understand emily103 7:42 PM I get it tichure 7:42 PM the popular "it was a good day" is a first-person narrative about somebody living in a real environment of south-central Los Angeles in the 1990s. However, ice cube was not living the life that he's describing. His friends were. He had a political agenda about the treatment of people of color and the poor that he was privy to, but was not experiencing it himself, as his parents were in a position to send him out of the area to go school therefore biographical criticism would not be relevant to that particular work, but Marxist criticism, which focuses on the authors OPINION would be 7:43 PM and therefore the biographical information might explain why he has his political views but we are not looking for incidents where he is determine whether or not he saw his name on a blimp or he needs to use his AK 7:43 PM dhall 7:43 PM oh i see emily103 7:43 PM that makes sense tichure 7:43 PM which brings me to another element that I addressed in an email to everyone which I'm sure you already with great interest you must have a valid literary resources. 7:43 PM Random crap off the Internet is not valid. 7:43 PM Wikipedia is not valid. 7:43 PM E-notes is not valid. 7:44 PM Shmoop University is not valid 7:44 PM these are your public posting boards, which are notoriously inaccurate, or they are designed for an audience that is not college-level 7:44 PM emily103 7:44 PM Right tichure 7:44 PM if you have an interview on YouTube with the actual person, that is valid if you have an interview in Rolling Stone or Los Angeles times or time magazine 7:44 PM that is valid 7:44 PM dhall 7:44 PM would we use the citrus data base ? 7:44 PM tichure 7:45 PM if you have an essay or article that includes research about the author in LA Times or Rolling Stone or New York Times etc. those are valid because, being actual real publications, they are concerned about being sued Yes \Hall. In fact many of the things I'm talking about are available through the citrus databases because I asked for them. 7:45 PM to that and also if you decide to do something either in the movies or the music area, there are hardcopy books in the library, as well as e-books, available to you for this particular type of assignment. 7:45 PM dhall 7:45 PM ok tichure 7:46 PM Keep in mind that if somebody can remain anonymous they can say whatever they want without fear of reprisal, especially economic. That means public posting boards, fansites etc. are very suspicious and are valid. 7:46 PM If somebody is working for a national institution that has a clear identity and can be sued in a court of law, they are far more likely to get it right 7:46 PM that does not mean that everything is true and it doesn't mean the people do not editorialize to their own position, as you might see on Fox News or MSNBC etc. 7:46 PM it does mean your BS meter needs to be fine-tuned 7:46 PM the works that I've chosen for you have a lot of material… Valid material… Available to you for analysis. 7:47 PM The purpose of this class is not to send you on some kind of snipe hunt or fishing expedition 7:47 PM the purpose of the class is for you to understand how you can apply 7:47 PM college-level research practices and resources that you will be using throughout your university career 7:48 PM as well as the critical perspectives, which are largely the purpose of this course 7:48 PM the works cited, with annotations, will indicate to you and to me the level of resources you're finding as well as whether or not you've chosen a good topic. P 7:48 PM 985146 7:49 PM Oh ok. tichure 7:49 PM Obviously, once I have accepted it, you will remove the annotations and remove any work you do not actually quote from and you have your work cited for your paper emily103 7:49 PM got it tichure 7:49 PM if you want something that has plenty of resources and is straightforward analysis, choose one of the older works by Gilman, Glasspell or Poe you'll find everything in Gale and Esbsco 7:50 PM The first draft of this paper is going to be two critical perspectives, for a total of four paragraphs. later on, after you've done your first draft, you will create a full sentence outline that indicates the scope and breadth of the four critical perspectives that will be applied on the final draft due at the end of the semester. 7:50 PM Obviously that means you will be adding two critical perspectives to the original two for that final draft 7:51 PM dhall 7:51 PM ok tichure 7:51 PM is everybody clear so far? emily103 7:51 PM Yep dhall 7:52 PM yes tichure 7:53 PM that is the class emily103 7:53 PM So starting tomorrow we would be able to post our first resonses right? tichure 7:53 PM yes response Emily. 7:53 PM one at a time. Please 7:53 PM because you need to get response from me so you don't give me three or four items all with the same mistake or omission 7:53 PM one test 7:53 PM anywhere between two and five responses 7:54 PM two drafts of a research paper 7:54 PM annotated works 7:54 PM watch due dates 7:54 PM because I give you more than one opportunity to do the number of responses that you are supposed to get to, there is no late work on the responses. 7:55 PM 1215 on the next day is late 7:55 PM we only have six weeks 7:55 PM dhall 7:55 PM ok tichure 7:55 PM and we are halfway through the first one emily103 7:55 PM got it tichure 7:55 PM so you will do work on a regular basis choose a primary source for your research paper that you have some familiarity with or that you have some kind of access to. If everything on that list is new, you will have to read some stuff before you find something that works 7:55 PM remember that you are applying critical perspectives. 7:55 PM dhall 7:56 PM to the poems we read correct tichure 7:56 PM If you've read the discussion or watch the video on critical theory in general, you will know that critical perspectives is not about you telling me what you think. Yes Hall 7:56 PM critical analysis is about you understanding how someone ELSE thinks and how they would translate the work. You will apply the critical perspectives in a clear identifiable manner, one per body paragraph. You will identify the critical perspective being applied in the topic sentence of that particular paragraph and you will stick to that date are critical perspective with no prevarication. 7:56 PM Do not explain to me that something can have multiple translations. I know that. That's the point of the class. 7:57 PM What I want to know is what it means for a particular critical perspective that YOU apply and YOU have researched. 7:57 PM It doesn't mean you have to apply every single critical perspective in the list. It does mean you will apply critical perspectives clearly and accurately in order to get a good grade. 7:57 PM You do not have to agree with that particular critical perspective. You do not argue against it if you choose to analyze from a critical perspective you don't like. Instead, you apply it as fervently and honestly and truthfully as if it were your own ideas. 7:58 PM However, you NEVER refer to yourself 7:58 PM dhall 7:58 PM so what you want us to do is critically analysis something using how let say a markist would view the poem tichure 7:58 PM do not use phrases like "I think" or anything like that. I understand some of this is coming from you, but just report. That is correct Hall 7:58 PM any questions so far 7:58 PM dhall 7:58 PM Ok Be right back 7:58 PM tichure 7:59 PM I'll be here (eye)(eye) 7:59 PM - alyssa103 joined the Main Room. ( 8:02 PM ) - tichure 7:59 PM the critical perspectives come in three general category types. Hey now Alyssa. 7:59 PM We are discussing critical perspectives 7:59 PM you will want to read the archive once I post it later 7:59 PM as I was saying, the critical perspectives come in three general category types. 8:00 PM There are objective critical analyses. These are critical perspectives that are based on data rather than any particular viewpoint. Biographical criticism, historical criticism and gender criticism are objective. They simply report whether the work is "true" or not. Biographical criticism does not discuss the author's OPINION. It simply establishes whether the work is autobiographical. If the work is not autobiographical, you do NOT apply biographical criticism. 8:00 PM In the same vein, historical criticism and gender criticism establish the realities in terms of law and custom for a given era as reflected in the work. If you're going to cover either "jury of her peers" or "the yellow wallpaper" understanding what a woman was allowed to do legally and socially is imperative for understanding the context of the story. 8:01 PM A historical or gender focused criticism is going to simply explain the realities, but will not discuss the author's opinion of it or any other opinion of these things. You might mention that women did not have the vote until 1919, but you would not say whether it was fair or unfair. 8:02 PM You are simply establishing fact. This helps when explaining why a woman might have to resort to murder in an abusive relationship or may be trapped inside the house simply because her husband says she cannot leave. 8:02 PM historical and gender analysis do not justify anything. They simply explain the realities of the time. There is no opinion expressed in biographical or historical or gender criticism. 8:02 PM Your resources obviously would be a biography for biographical criticism and some kind of historical resource for gender and historical criticism. 8:03 PM Any questions so far? 8:03 PM 985146 8:03 PM A lot of this is new to me but I am understanding what your saying. emily103 8:03 PM got it tichure 8:03 PM and when you read the individual analyses and watch the videos 985, this will be reiterated in a slower pace the author-intended critical perspectives include Marxist criticism and psychoanalytical criticism on character, and Mythological criticism 8:04 PM Marxist criticism examines the author's opinion and explains what they're trying to say in the work. The difference between a biographical and Marxist criticism on an autobiographical piece is that one of them will simply report what's going on in the author's life as reported in the work (biographical criticism) and the other will report what was going on in the author's life and how they feel about it (Marxist criticism). 8:05 PM that means biographical criticism needs an autobiography, but Marxist criticism usually needs something that indicates the author's opinion and therefore has some kind of interview aspects, some kind of response aspect etc. 8:05 PM it also means that biographical criticism followed by a Marxist criticism makes the biographical criticism unnecessary and redundant. 8:05 PM For any work that is autobiographical, I do not want to see a biographical and a Marxist criticism because the Marxist will include the biographical aspect. 8:06 PM Since you can't do a biographical criticism on something that's NOT autobiographical, that means I will not see a biographical criticism and a Marxist criticism in the same paper 8:06 PM psychoanalytical criticism on character and mythological criticism are two devices that authors often used to tell stories. These are intended devices by the author that reflect their storytelling intentions. The resources for this would be a literary analysis in Gale 8:07 PM You'll notice I did not include formalist criticism which is also author-based. That is because if you took it was 101 at this fine institution, you did an entire semester of formalist criticism. 8:07 PM that means no formalist criticism is allowed in this class. 8:07 PM You should know what it is 8:07 PM because you've already done it 8:07 PM but I do not want to see any analyses of simple symbolism, irony and conflict. 8:07 PM You will find usefulness of those literary devices in other critical perspectives, including psychoanalytical and mythological criticism. 8:08 PM if you have an essay, article or interview in which the author explains how the craft their work (not talking about their opinion, but about their storytelling process), you would often find application of psychoanalytical and mythological criticism in their discussions. 8:09 PM - Lmarcia joined the Main Room. ( 8:12 PM ) - tichure 8:09 PM Finally, there are the RESPONSE critical perspectives. These are critical perspectives that essentially are discussions of the work through the eyes, through the lens of a different person, culture or other viewpoint. These do NOT take into account what the author intended or what the author believes. Hey there Marcia. We are discussing critical perspectives. You will want to read the archive once I have posted it. 8:10 PM These include cultural criticism, reader response, psychoanalytical criticism on the author, and of course feminist criticism among others. 8:10 PM These require a resource FROM THAT VIEWPOINT, such as a religion, a culture, and ethnicity, a group of people who have experienced something, or have a particular political or social view. 8:10 PM Applying the cultural viewpoint from the Catholic Church requires that you have the rules and values of the Catholic Church in a written form that you can quote from. 8:11 PM Likewise, applying a feminist criticism requires that you actually have a feminist analysis or at least the rules and values of feminist theory to apply to that particular work. 8:11 PM If you translate something from the African-American urban perspective, you need published documents that discuss the viewpoints of that particular group and then use that information to explain how they would or they actually did translate the particular work you are analyzing. 8:11 PM You are not allowed to speculate about what somebody or some group would think. 8:11 PM You are not allowed to discuss what you personally believe because you happen to belong to a particular group. 8:12 PM You can certainly use these as guidelines to find your resources, but since this is a research-based class, you have to have research. 8:12 PM Find out what feminists think of "the yellow wallpaper" or "dear mama" or "Star Wars" by finding feminist analyses of those particular works. 8:12 PM Remember that cultural criticism and reader response are general categories that you will nail down with a specific subgroup. Cultural criticism is about looking at the work through the viewpoint of a particular ethnicity, culture or other identifiable group that is identified through its belief system. 8:13 PM Reader response is an analysis in which people are responding due to the fact that they have EXPERIENCED something which changes their view of the world. If we are all sitting down to watch our favorite crime show, the cop, the victim of crime, the criminal, and the psychologist would all have different views of whether the story is entertaining, whether we like to particular characters or whether we agree with the author's editorial. 8:14 PM Your goal in this class is to go through the critical perspectives in the order that I present them, starting with the most basic and getting to the most complex by the end of the semester. 8:14 PM You need to understand them because part of your grade is predicated on whether or not you choose accurately. Choosing biographical criticism for work that is not autobiographical is a bad choice. 8:15 PM Choosing a gender criticism in a work that is not gender-based is a bad choice. 8:15 PM Choosing historical criticism and a work that has no historical context is a bad choice. 8:15 PM Make sure the critical perspective is appropriate for the work that you are analyzing. If you decide to apply a cultural viewpoint, make sure that that particular culture has an opinion about that topic. 8:15 PM Through the course of the semester, I will be here on Wednesdays between 7 and 9 PM. The purpose of this will be for you to bring your work to me and to ask me specific questions about what YOU are doing. If you do not show up, there is no penalty. If you do show up, there is no benefit, other than the fact that you might get something clarified and therefore ultimately present better work to me. 8:16 PM When you do show up, I will ask you what your primary source is and I will likely ask you what critical perspectives you are applying and then we will get to the conversation about how that is coming along and whether it is working. 8:17 PM It's that simple. 8:17 PM Your reading material is both on the calendar and, if you want even more, on englit.org 8:17 PM the librarians are also aware of and supportive of my class in very practical ways. 8:17 PM There is a lib guide on the library webpage for English and, each one of my courses has specific information 8:18 PM in terms of resources 8:18 PM etc. 8:18 PM that will be useful to you 8:18 PM if you go into the library 8:18 PM and you mention my name 8:18 PM after the cursing and the invectives, 8:18 PM they will be fully aware of what I'm looking for and beyond to help you. 8:18 PM Likewise, tutoring is free and available to you on campus. 8:18 PM Tutors are selected because they have gotten a B or better in the course that they are tutoring 8:18 PM and they are, again, aware of what we are looking for in English 103. For the tutors particularly, who do not know me necessarily, you would want to bring a copy of the assignment so that they are clear on what I'm asking for because a different teacher might ask for something slightly different. 8:19 PM Finally, you can always ask me a direct question by email. If you ask me one of those so-called "dumb" questions that everyone needs an answer to, I will remove your particular information and answer with a forward to everyone so that I don't have to answer the same question 65 times. 8:19 PM dhall 8:19 PM ok tichure 8:20 PM That's why I need you to check your email regularly emily103 8:20 PM got it tichure 8:20 PM don't read everything on my website on the first day go through the process of reading the reading assignments and doing the written assignments in the order that I've indicated because that way the learning process is both logical and not overwhelming 8:20 PM Lmarcia 8:20 PM I already did :p It was overwhelming haha 8:21 PM tichure 8:21 PM I had a student last semester who decided to do all five of their responses in the first week and of course they were all horribly wrong which means I had to repeat over and over again the same information about organization, structure and application critical perspectives, not to mention grammar Marcia, when you go through the material for this week, just stay on the material for the week. I'm sure you will find it a lot more palatable. 8:21 PM Remember that my website is not just for this class for this week. 8:21 PM It is for this class 8:21 PM but also for my other courses 8:21 PM and therefore not everything applies to you particularly. 8:21 PM The material I sign for you on CANVAS does apply to you, and you can certainly, once you have a focus on what you're looking for, look around my website, look through the library databases etc. to find more helpful information. 8:22 PM But try to avoid going down a rabbit hole 8:22 PM by looking at everything. 8:22 PM alyssa103 8:22 PM So it would be best to follow the modules on canvas for assignments and for a deaper clarity check the website? Lmarcia 8:22 PM The "Critical approaches" page on englit that is pretty lengthy was part of our reading this week, correct? tichure 8:22 PM Any questions at this point Marcia, what you were supposed to read/watch was a video that discusses the critical approaches in a general way. It is the video link before you get to the actual description of all the critical perspectives. 8:23 PM I did not want you to read every single critical perspective. 8:23 PM Alyssa, that is exactly what I want You to do. That's why the modules are listed by week. 8:23 PM alyssa103 8:24 PM Okay, thank you tichure 8:24 PM you will know that there was a lot of reading upfront and there was way less reading toward the end of the semester. That's because by the end of the semester, you will be familiar with most of, if not all of the critical perspectives relative to this class and it's more about producing written work as evidence of your understanding. Lmarcia 8:24 PM Got it. Was a little confused because the links below took me to the Critical approaches page and wasn't sure if I was supposed to read it all and watch all the vids tichure 8:24 PM I understand Marcia the assignment was for the critical approaches overview video 8:26 PM Lmarcia 8:26 PM Got it tichure 8:26 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhrcU-wfEMU on the literary terms page 8:26 PM andThen you'll read about biographical criticism, historical criticism etc. 8:26 PM specifically 8:27 PM 985146 8:27 PM I read everything on your website as well. haha dhall 8:27 PM Ok I'm going to leave so far I seen to understand the material I'll read the archive later peace tichure 8:27 PM 985, hopefully something stuck. As we go through the semester I'm sure things will make more sense. Take care Hall. 8:27 PM Any questions? 8:28 PM - dhall left the Main Room. ( 8:31 PM ) - emily103 8:28 PM I think I'm okay for right now, this helped a lot! alyssa103 8:28 PM I had a question about the Rhetoric- MLA Formatting, Poetry module... When clicking on the lyrics link on that module the top of the page states to "Choose one from the following lyrical poems/songs for your first paper." Does that apply to us? Lmarcia 8:28 PM For response 1 I am having some trouble finding secondary sources.. I don't know if I'm missing some key words but many times I'm getting 0 results. I got 1 result with "To the ladies" tichure 8:29 PM No Alyssa. Let me double check that. 8:29 PM alyssa103 8:29 PM Okay, thank you. tichure 8:29 PM Marcia, You should have a bit of information about the author, which is very scarce, but you should have several direct literary analyses of the poem on Gale or Ebscohost. You might want to try the author's name. Understand that she really didn't publish a whole lot of other things and this is her most famous work so you're likely to come across it that to get away. 8:30 PM Lmarcia 8:30 PM Okay thank you tichure 8:30 PM Also, if you were to do historical criticism, what you really need is to get into Ebscohost and find some historical documents that explain the roles of women of peerage at that time. 985146 8:31 PM Thank you. I do find the Archive of Tests and Papers to be very helpful. tichure 8:31 PM Remember, back then, and even today, the word LADY does not simply mean woman of a particular reputation. It's an actual title. That's why she doesn't mention anything about washing clothes or raising children and or anything like that. It's about making sure she does not embarrass her husband in public situations because this is a high-class person. 8:31 PM Thanks 985. And that brings up another issue. This is the final question in our quiz. 8:31 PM It's for all the marbles 8:31 PM if we ever had any marbles. I certainly lost my long time ago. 8:31 PM What formatting are we using for these works? 8:31 PM alyssa103 8:32 PM MLA Lmarcia 8:33 PM MLA tichure 8:34 PM Folks, remember the basics from your other class and also make reference to either the library resources or Purdue University's OWL MLA format pages. There is also material on my website englit.org concerning MLA formatting. 8:35 PM Works cited page is listed with author, title of the work, publication, publisher and date followed by URL in that particular order. 8:35 PM Lmarcia 8:35 PM For our middle paragraphs in our responses, do we need 10 sentences minimum or 15-25? I thought I read both but maybe that was for Eng 101 985146 8:35 PM Thank you. tichure 8:35 PM Items are cited in text by the authors last name. Poetry also includes the line number. Page numbers, which are rare, would also be included if they are available. Marcia, 10 is the absolute minimum, 15 to 25 is more realistic. 8:36 PM Lmarcia 8:36 PM Got it 985146 8:36 PM Got it. tichure 8:36 PM Keep in mind that you need direct quotation from the primary text (what you're analyzing) and at least one secondary text (your research information) quotation in each body paragraph absolute minimum just to get a C Lmarcia 8:36 PM Our response 2 will be our first paper? 985146 8:37 PM To be honest the marbles question threw me off but I know what MLA formatting is. tichure 8:37 PM realistically you do need more than one secondary source for any critical perspective analysis, especially for your paper. hahhah 8:37 PM Don't worry about it 985. It's old terminology. 8:37 PM Lmarcia 8:37 PM How many secondary sources cited for an A? tichure 8:37 PM And you're very likely going to give me more than one quotation from the primary source since the purpose of MLA formatting is to show me where you got your information from the primary source. You need to quote it so that we know where it is. at least two per body paragraph, Marcia 8:39 PM 985146 8:39 PM Understood Lmarcia 8:39 PM Thank you :) tichure 8:39 PM and yes, i Believe that response 2 is a sample body paragraph from your paper finally, 8:39 PM I would suggest that you consider working with other people. You are all going to produce your own individual material in terms of written documents, but there's nothing that says you can't work together gathering resources, talking about and evaluating critical perspectives and the like. Also, you're going to need someone to and give you feedback at the end of the semester 8:40 PM has anyone yet chosen their topic for their research paper 8:40 PM Lmarcia 8:41 PM I was considering a Star Wars episode. But still researching the other topics before I decide 985146 8:42 PM Will do. I have not decided. 8:42 PM I have been busy reading everything. haha 8:42 PM tichure 8:42 PM if anyone is going to do Star Wars, I really strongly advise that you have the DVD. It has information from Lucas himself explaining how he put the work together, which will be great for both Marxist criticism and mythological criticism, since he mentions Joseph Campbell specifically. You watch the movie with him talking through it, you will have information for at least two critical perspectives. 8:43 PM Moreover, there are always extras about making the movie that will be helpful. 8:43 PM Well folks, I'm going to send you on your way to make some decisions so that you can get to the process of creating a paper in the next five weeks 8:43 PM Lmarcia 8:43 PM Awesome, thank you. I do have the DVDs tichure 8:44 PM like you said, I'll be here next Wednesday. Bring what you have. I will answer questions, offer suggestions and guidance. We will talk about the critical perspectives in a way that will hopefully help you to apply them appropriately to your work and guide you in finding appropriate secondary source material. Then you're on the right track Marcia 8:44 PM for that topic anyway. 8:44 PM Questions? 8:44 PM alyssa103 8:44 PM Do you think that choosing a work we've already studied is a good or bad idea, in your opinion for the research paper. tichure 8:45 PM It's a good idea as long as you understand that what you're doing for me is different. For those people who did "cask of amontillado" or "yellow wallpaper" for English 101, you understand the story and you understand something about the time and even the author's life.. 8:46 PM This information is helpful, but you're not simply resubmitting all paper. Your taking what you have learned and then re-crafting critical analyses that are appropriate for this particular class. Some of the resources that you used for the 101 course will also be useful. 8:46 PM Having a head start of not reading something cold is always a benefit, especially in a six week course. 8:46 PM alyssa103 8:46 PM That was my main concern, differentiating between english 101 and now this class while doing the same work tichure 8:47 PM Well you're writing a brand-new paper anyway, so it should not be a problem Alyssa. alyssa103 8:47 PM Okay, thank you tichure 8:48 PM anything else folks? Lmarcia 8:49 PM No, thank you Professor! tichure 8:49 PM You're welcome. Each week I will post an archive if there is attendance to the live chat. I will also be posting archived material that is useful in discussing what you're working on. Make sure you check that chat archive each week. 8:49 PM 985146 8:49 PM No, thank you for your time. Speak with you soon. tichure 8:50 PM Sounds good 985. In the meantime folks decide what you're working on and get started on that annotated works cited. 8:50 PM alyssa103 8:50 PM Thank you for all the great info tichure 8:50 PM My pleasure Alyssa. If there's nothing else, have a good week everybody and I will be here next Wednesday. Same bat time. Same bat channel. :[ 8:51 PM - emily103 left the Main Room. ( 8:54 PM ) - - Lmarcia left the Main Room. ( 8:55 PM ) - - alyssa103 left the Main Room. ( 8:56 PM ) - tichure 8:53 PM poof