zoochikk has joined the conference. diedinchrist95 has joined the conference. stichure: hey now zoochikk: Hello diedinchrist95: Hola zoochikk: Howdy Miss Died stichure: Which story did we cover last week zoochikk: I believe The Lesson zoochikk: and diedinchrist95: The Lesson and part of everyday use zoochikk: TY stichure: Then we will finish everyday use stichure: And talk about some formatting issues diedinchrist95: ok zoochikk: okie dokie stichure: I think I asked you to look at the items that dee wanted zoochikk: yes zoochikk: quilts stichure: Remember a symbol is a literal thing that has symbolic meaning stichure: Start with the lateral zoochikk: butter thingy stichure: Start with the literal stichure: hehe zoochikk: haha stichure: What is a quilt\ zoochikk: the mom and grandma made diedinchrist95: patchwork of peoples past zoochikk: oops stichure: Literally diedinchrist95: blanket/warmth zoochikk: need to change my color of font....brb stichure: Made how diedinchrist95: sewn t_ra_ce has joined the conference. diedinchrist95: together with bits of material stichure: Of what stichure: Where do the bits come from stichure: Hello race diedinchrist95: people past t_ra_ce: hello stichure: Symbolic of quilt stichure: More literal, Christ stichure: You're jumping right to the symbolic diedinchrist95: old clothes ssevenjc has joined the conference. stichure: There you go there you go ssevenjc: hello stichure: Hey seven stichure: Symbolism stichure: Everyday use stichure: Why it would people make a blanket out of old clothes stichure: What kind of people would make a blanket out of old clothes stichure: Or old scraps diedinchrist95: practicality stichure: Which particular people quilted and why stichure: Explain Christ t_ra_ce: poor and cold diedinchrist95: if you're poor you need to use everything to it's fullest zoochikk: i was going to say slaves or hired help stichure: Christ you're correct stichure: Race you're correct but a bit vague stichure: Too specific, zoo stichure: Now let's get the symbolism stichure: The specific quilts that were mentioned are mentioned by style for one thing stichure: If you're going to discuss the story, you must mention what those styles mean stichure: Moreover, what does the Narrator tell us they were made of? stichure: And this is where we'll get into that symbolism, Christ diedinchrist95: scraps fo dresses from Grandma Dee GrandpaJarrels Paisley shirts and Graet grandpa Ezras uniform stichure: So the quilts represent... diedinchrist95: history stichure: Whose diedinchrist95: family stichure: Which zoochikk: outdated out of style according to dee stichure: Whose stichure: Then why does she want them, zoo? diedinchrist95: their family history stichure: Much better answer Christ zoochikk: they represent stichure: Represent what zoochikk: enslavement zoochikk: is that a word zoochikk: haha stichure: It is stichure: Explain how they represent enslavement stichure: Christ, explain how quilt equals family history stichure: When you're making a symbolic equation, you must be able to apply the same adjectives to the literal as well as the figurative meaning zoochikk: they rep. heritage stichure: That's a better answer stichure: How does the quilt represent heritage stichure: In other words, the definition of quilt should match the definition of heritage diedinchrist95: bits and pieces of family members lives put to gether as a rememberance of them while also functioning in everyday life. stichure: How does a person use remembered says or bits and pieces of family members lives in an everyday use stichure: Remembrances stichure: Which characters use their families memory in everyday use diedinchrist95: maggie and mom zoochikk: dee thinks she has a piece of black history when it was nothing like she was making it out to be stichure: That is correct, zoo... what is she going to do with it zoochikk: agree with christ zoochikk: hang them stichure: How do Maggie and their mother used their families memory or history every day zoochikk: whereas maggie would use them as blankets stichure: And explain which one is a better idea zoochikk: reminising zoochikk: can't spell stichure: Add a C zoochikk: hehe stichure: Reminiscing stichure: Not exactly zoochikk: better how?? diedinchrist95: they live with it and use things from generations past and remember the old stories of who made them and what happened around them stichure: What is Maggie's comments when her mother decides to give the quilts to her sister stichure: Very good Christ stichure: So to them, the quilts... zoochikk: no big deal zoochikk: she said let her have them stichure: There is something that she says that is a very big deal stichure: Is the difference between stichure: Maggie stichure: And stichure: dee zoochikk: Maggie was low key, not making a big deal about them stichure: What specifically does she say zoochikk: dee was angry she wanted them! t_ra_ce: I think she Maggie would make her own stichure: I think you're right, race but diedinchrist95: Maggie was used to being last and gave up without a fight stichure: What did she say stichure: That is also correct, Christ stichure: But stichure: What did she say t_ra_ce: let me look stichure: Thank you stichure: It is her specific comment that the author includes that explains essential difference between the way that Maggie and her sister view everything they're discussing diedinchrist95: I can remember grandma Dee without the quilts zoochikk: "she can have them mama," 'like somevody used to never winning anything" stichure: Meaning? t_ra_ce: yes stichure: Which of the two sentences do you think is more important t_ra_ce: quilts are for memories diedinchrist95: Maggie thinks of family when she looks at the quilts Dee thinks of Art not family stichure: Yes stichure: Let's look at the word heritage stichure: When Maggie or her mother say heritage what do they mean zoochikk: their past..their family stichure: And when they mean their family who specifically are they referring to diedinchrist95: Grandma Dee and Grandpa?? and Uncle?? immediate close family zoochikk: Grandma Dee, Big Dee, etc stichure: Yes Christ stichure: Yes Zoom t_ra_ce: people that they knew stichure: hehehe stichure: zooo zoochikk: hehe stichure: And what does dee mean by the word heritage diedinchrist95: African Heritage t_ra_ce: a general utilization of the term diedinchrist95: something she knows very little about stichure: Exactly stichure: Does she consider herself part of the immediate family of the Johnson's diedinchrist95: not anymore zoochikk: Dee wants to make a big deal out of it for the attention maybe?? To impress people t_ra_ce: she probably does not consider it stichure: Explain Christ stichure: Actually , zoo, the other is reflecting a common practice by the 1970s that is even popular today... stichure: Explain ranks stichure: Explain, race zoochikk: sorry if that was a lame answer stichure: Actually zoo, the author is reflecting a common practice stichure: Its not a lame answer... stichure: But historical information is helpful diedinchrist95: she has grown and moved on from where she came from They are not part of her new life stichure: What has happened in Black culture during the 1970s that is reflected in this story stichure: That is correct Christ but it was she ever part of their family in any real sense stichure: Look back at the specific images in story zoochikk: they change their names etc t_ra_ce: try to find their roots t_ra_ce: not afro-american t_ra_ce: african roots stichure: Yes, the zoo but why stichure: Yes race stichure: Why diedinchrist95: She would ahve had to have been when she was small but as she grew she grew farther and farther away from them zoochikk: Do not want to be associtaed with their??? name?? stichure: Something a little bit more important, zoo t_ra_ce: it was unknown...and now more freedom, money would allow for it. maybe like an adoptive child finding mom stichure: The name is just start stichure: Christ, show me stichure: Show me she was ever part of the family stichure: Ever part of that mentality diedinchrist95: reading too much ionto it again stichure: Actually , race it has to do with identity and how others see a person stichure: According to nonblack America, African-Americans were seen as primarily what? stichure: In terms of heritage diedinchrist95: primative/uneducated savages zoochikk: slaves (i hope that is right stichure: Zoo is correct t_ra_ce: in the 70's? stichure: Sort of , Christ but not so extreme zoochikk: woo hoo stichure: Prior to that, race t_ra_ce: okay t_ra_ce: in the 50's or so? stichure: And during the seventies, how did many African Americans try to re identify themselves stichure: Actually up to and including the early seventies, depending on where you were... the South was a much slower change zoochikk: going back to their heritage t_ra_ce: okay stichure: But in the north and east, the back to Africa movement was quite strong t_ra_ce: yes stichure: Which heritage zoo diedinchrist95: imersing them selves in African culture which they didn't really know much about zoochikk: black/african american t_ra_ce: colorful hats, shirts t_ra_ce: tall hair stichure: The heritage that Mrs. Johnson identifies with or the heritage that dee identifies with zoochikk: voodoo? stichure: Put a generalize label on it race zoochikk: j/k stichure: That is Caribbean, zoo stichure: That is correct Christ t_ra_ce: i don't know stichure: And that manifested itself in stichure: Clothing stichure: Like what stichure: Now here's your chance, race t_ra_ce: politically correct language is hard stichure: Out on a politically correct language t_ra_ce: jive stichure: I need the answer stichure: That is one thing stichure: An identifiable language that is separate from those of oppressors stichure: Slang t_ra_ce: yes stichure: Oddly enough, t_ra_ce: jive stichure: That slang makes its way back into the majority culture stichure: Other African staff zoochikk: jive talking...?? stichure: Stuff t_ra_ce: yes stichure: The jive stuff is really inner-city American stichure: Look at the influences that dee brings back t_ra_ce: afro-american out -- afrikaan in stichure: How is she different? zoochikk: she is educated diedinchrist95: dress down to the floor so loud it hurts my eyes stichure: That particular word refers to South Africans who are of Dutch descent, race stichure: Yes Christ zoochikk: fancy clothes t_ra_ce: darn zoochikk: show off stichure: Yes zoo... which aspect of African culture is into education zoochikk: i am not sure t_ra_ce: not many stichure: What else is changed about dee stichure: Try again, race diedinchrist95: muslimism stichure: Islam stichure: hehhe diedinchrist95: thank you stichure: Christianityism was being rejected t_ra_ce: those that want to get out of the oppression zoochikk: has a name that the mom can't pronounce stichure: From where , zoo zoochikk: ? stichure: Why was Christianity being rejected t_ra_ce: oooh! i get in t_ra_ce: white man's religion stichure: Why was the name Dee being rejected stichure: Very good race zoochikk: associated with her past stichure: Why would they reject Christianity diedinchrist95: slave name stichure: The white man's religion stichure: That is correct Christ t_ra_ce: forced upon them by slave owners for conformity stichure: That is correct zoo stichure: That is correct race stichure: Also, what did the white man's religion say stichure: In the context out of the black man's position t_ra_ce: dee is a white name -- taken from a white slave owner and handed down probably diedinchrist95: be content stichure: That is correct Christ stichure: If you're a slave owner, be a good slave owner zoochikk: Why did she always take photos of momma and her sister in ways that looked bad..with a cow..in front of the house?? stichure: If you're slave, stichure: Be a good slave stichure: Zoo... what is she studying in college stichure: Likely stichure: Whether it's a natural class or its merely the culture in which she has found yourself stichure: Herself stichure: Whether it is an actual class t_ra_ce: black history? stichure: Or its merely the culture in which she has found herself stichure: Exactly zoochikk: ok stichure: Which Black history t_ra_ce: slavery in the us stichure: Try again, race stichure: leewanika is not from slavery in the United States t_ra_ce: really? cultural origins of africans? t_ra_ce: finding out where she really may come from stichure: Suddenly you have people with African sounding names stichure: Claiming royalty stichure: Which of course makes them feel... diedinchrist95: important stichure: I'll house them to reject... stichure: And allows them to reject diedinchrist95: white rule t_ra_ce: that they were made slaves zoochikk: beef cattle people..hehe stichure: What was the comment about beef cattle people diedinchrist95: the government zoochikk: Asalamalakim.. stichure: What about it, zoo zoochikk: I was reading the comment momma said to him stichure: What does the mother reveal about her knowledge of Islam zoochikk: "You must belong to ..." stichure: In that comment stichure: How much did she know about Islam zoochikk: yes diedinchrist95: nothing stichure: Exactly Christ stichure: It be that as if you're a Catholic stichure: And I told you stichure: All you must be with those first Baptist people stichure: or those Branch Davidians stichure: What is the authors point diedinchrist95: Momma didn't buy into all that stichure: It is a broader issue than that... the authors making a point about the differences between cultures within black culture diedinchrist95: But it's like that with all races zoochikk (7:43:25 PM): Hakim makes a statement that he believes some doctrine but not into raising cattle stichure (7:43:36 PM): Of course Christ stichure (7:43:41 PM): Which means what zoo stichure (7:43:49 PM): This again has to do with the author's larger point, perhaps even one of the themes stichure (7:43:57 PM): How much does dee know about her family culture zoochikk (7:44:02 PM): just what he said..not into farming stichure (7:44:09 PM): How much does Mrs. Johnson know about black culture outside of her family stichure (7:44:18 PM): You're being too literal, zoo t_ra_ce (7:44:19 PM): not very much stichure (7:44:27 PM): You're correct on both counts stichure (7:44:32 PM): Who is likely the audience for this particular story zoochikk (7:44:38 PM): i agree with race ssevenjc (7:44:38 PM): enough to know she wants no part of it t_ra_ce (7:44:46 PM): college students stichure (7:44:53 PM): White or black? zoochikk (7:44:54 PM): us diedinchrist95 (7:44:57 PM): white stichure (7:44:58 PM): That's correct, zoo t_ra_ce (7:45:03 PM): white zoochikk (7:45:07 PM): both white and black stichure (7:45:13 PM): How would a majority white population view black culture... as multilevel or as one thinking mind diedinchrist95 (7:45:24 PM): one thinking mind zoochikk (7:45:28 PM): one thinking mind ssevenjc (7:45:28 PM): one stichure (7:45:31 PM): How many black people weregoing to college in 1970s t_ra_ce (7:45:32 PM): not sure stichure (7:45:34 PM): Relative to general population t_ra_ce (7:45:37 PM): not many diedinchrist95 (7:45:38 PM): a few ssevenjc (7:45:39 PM): ?? ssevenjc (7:45:46 PM): not sure stichure (7:45:46 PM): A what is Walker telling the larger audience about black culture zoochikk (7:45:47 PM): dont know not alot id guess t_ra_ce (7:46:03 PM): change is happening diedinchrist95 (7:46:08 PM): were not all the same stichure (7:46:11 PM): Well seven, that's a good point... that's where research comes and stichure (7:46:15 PM): Good answer Christ t_ra_ce (7:46:16 PM): struggle during the change zoochikk (7:46:16 PM): getting a "piece of the pie" stichure (7:46:18 PM): That's where research comes in ssevenjc (7:46:20 PM): you can do more now stichure (7:46:27 PM): Interest income, zoo that's what Ms. Moore said in the other story stichure (7:46:33 PM): Interesting comments, zoo stichure (7:46:48 PM): Seven, are we supposed to identify with Dee or her sister and her mother stichure (7:46:53 PM): There is a struggle, race stichure (7:46:57 PM): Between which factions stichure (7:46:59 PM): Between what elements stichure (7:47:08 PM): Or is black America a united front demanding a change? ssevenjc (7:47:16 PM): the mother and sister zoochikk (7:47:25 PM): demanding a change t_ra_ce (7:47:26 PM): struggle in all areas stichure (7:47:26 PM): How do you know that seven stichure (7:47:32 PM): Is the mother demanding a change? t_ra_ce (7:47:35 PM): no zoochikk (7:47:36 PM): no diedinchrist95 (7:47:36 PM): between those who are satisfied with their lot and those who want more stichure (7:47:39 PM): Essentially, you're right, race although it's a bit vague ssevenjc (7:47:40 PM): thats who is telling the story?/ stichure (7:47:42 PM): That is correct Christ stichure (7:47:45 PM): That's good .seven stichure (7:47:50 PM): Exactly t_ra_ce (7:48:02 PM): government making it difficult family difficulties stichure (7:48:11 PM): Which means that it's unlikely that the authors telling the college readership, who is well where social change more than anyone else in the country, that there's change going on stichure (7:48:27 PM): Who is well aware of social change more than anyone else in the country stichure (7:48:35 PM): Is the government even mentioned, race t_ra_ce (7:48:35 PM): socio-economic difficulties diedinchrist95 (7:48:35 PM): youth t_ra_ce (7:48:39 PM): no zoochikk (7:48:52 PM): african americans ssevenjc (7:48:54 PM): middle aged stichure (7:48:54 PM): Where are those youth diedinchrist95 (7:49:00 PM): in school stichure (7:49:00 PM): Were man he or her mother aware of those changes stichure (7:49:04 PM): That is an important aspect, Christ stichure (7:49:09 PM): Again stichure (7:49:30 PM): Were Maggie or her her mother aware of those changes ssevenjc (7:49:31 PM): I don't think they cared zoochikk (7:49:35 PM): no t_ra_ce (7:49:36 PM): no they did not know stichure (7:49:48 PM): How do you know that, race, zoo zoochikk (7:49:51 PM): they cool diedinchrist95 (7:49:52 PM): It was not real tothem ssevenjc (7:49:53 PM): I think they were content zoochikk (7:49:53 PM): haha stichure (7:49:58 PM): These are important aspects because the author is narrowing what the point of her story is stichure (7:50:10 PM): Show me, Christ, seven t_ra_ce (7:50:11 PM): could not read stichure (7:50:13 PM): Show me content stichure (7:50:18 PM): That is one aspect, although Maggie can read stichure (7:50:21 PM): Slowly stichure (7:50:24 PM): Good-naturedly zoochikk (7:50:26 PM): sorry to say this but they were both a little slow, ssevenjc (7:50:32 PM): it shows when they left at the end of the story stichure (7:50:33 PM): Why are you sorry zoochikk (7:50:35 PM): but good hearts stichure (7:50:45 PM): It is what the story told us ssevenjc (7:50:50 PM): they just went back the same thing stichure (7:50:51 PM): That is correct seven stichure (7:50:53 PM): That is correct zoochikk (7:50:54 PM): i didn't want to say they were dumb? In case i was wrong t_ra_ce (7:51:20 PM): not necessarily dumb -- not educated stichure (7:51:21 PM): There's a difference between being an educated and perhaps even a bit slow and being dumb, a medical phrase specifically designed to denigrate stichure (7:51:34 PM): In fact, are their aspects in which dee stichure (7:51:40 PM): Is uneducated stichure (7:51:43 PM): Compared to her sister and her mother zoochikk (7:51:50 PM): and i have been know to give wrong answers..haha stichure (7:52:05 PM): What does Maggie know that dee does not diedinchrist95 (7:52:12 PM): yes Dee can't quilt or farm or... stichure (7:52:17 PM): What does her mother know stichure (7:52:20 PM): Exactly Christ ssevenjc (7:52:27 PM): she is uneducated in the "slower life style" stichure (7:52:28 PM): Does Dee care diedinchrist95 (7:52:35 PM): no stichure (7:52:35 PM): Well, zoochikk (7:52:43 PM): Dee was sent to school by the grandma and mom, correct? stichure (7:52:52 PM): If the big one hits and we are all reduced to a more basic level of living, who is more likely to survive, Maggie or her sister stichure (7:52:55 PM): That is correct zoo diedinchrist95 (7:53:02 PM): maggie t_ra_ce (7:53:02 PM): maggie stichure (7:53:03 PM): Does the mother care about dee's world ssevenjc (7:53:09 PM): maggie zoochikk (7:53:10 PM): Maggie t_ra_ce (7:53:12 PM): no diedinchrist95 (7:53:13 PM): she knows how to survive with less ssevenjc (7:53:17 PM): not really stichure (7:53:19 PM): That is correct Christ stichure (7:53:40 PM): It's interesting that we point out that dee does not care about the world in which she grew up and in some ways we are very comfortable with that zoochikk (7:53:48 PM): she has survival skills..cooking, sewing stichure (7:53:56 PM): Yet in some ways it seems almost offensive that the mother and her younger daughter do not care about the world's which essentially we live and stichure (7:53:59 PM): Live in stichure (7:54:09 PM): and the auther did that on purpose stichure (7:54:15 PM): Otherwise, stichure (7:54:18 PM): dee would have told story diedinchrist95 (7:54:27 PM): Dee offends me much more than Maggie or Mom stichure (7:54:31 PM): And we would have joined her in thinking that her family was a bunch of back word Hicks stichure (7:54:41 PM): She supposed to stichure (7:54:44 PM): And at the same time stichure (7:54:50 PM): She supposed to remind you of you zoochikk (7:54:51 PM): I'd rather be like the mom and sister stichure (7:55:12 PM): Unattractive, uneducated poor and oppressed stichure (7:55:21 PM): ? zoochikk (7:55:23 PM): Maybe don't have much, but they seem more content and accepting of their life stichure (7:55:28 PM): Of course ssevenjc (7:55:28 PM): I would rather be a little of both t_ra_ce (7:55:29 PM): chewing tobacco? stichure (7:55:39 PM): Just a pinch between the cheek and gum diedinchrist95 (7:55:42 PM): part of the culture stichure (7:55:43 PM): Gives you real tobacco pleasure zoochikk (7:55:44 PM): Better than wearing a bright yellow dress, haha stichure (7:55:46 PM): Absolutely stichure (7:55:48 PM): hhe stichure (7:55:50 PM): It looked good on me stichure (7:55:57 PM): This is a cultural battle zoochikk (7:55:57 PM): look like a chiquita bananna stichure (7:55:59 PM): Within a culture stichure (7:56:17 PM): When someone wear sunglasses, what does that represent zoochikk (7:56:18 PM): and her designer imposter perfume...haha stichure (7:56:22 PM): hheeh t_ra_ce (7:56:24 PM): hiding zoochikk (7:56:25 PM): hiding stichure (7:56:27 PM): From stichure (7:56:28 PM): ? diedinchrist95 (7:56:28 PM): hiding t_ra_ce (7:56:35 PM): light diedinchrist95 (7:56:36 PM): others stichure (7:56:40 PM): Explain race zoochikk (7:56:42 PM): to much wooping it up the night before stichure (7:56:43 PM): You'll have to symbolize light as well stichure (7:56:49 PM): Try again zoo zoochikk (7:56:51 PM): want darkness stichure (7:56:52 PM): In what way Christ stichure (7:56:55 PM): Which others stichure (7:56:58 PM): What kind of darkness zoo stichure (7:57:05 PM): What does she not want to see zoochikk (7:57:07 PM): don't want to make eye contact stichure (7:57:10 PM): With whom t_ra_ce (7:57:12 PM): shades the sun's light zoochikk (7:57:13 PM): ashamed ssevenjc (7:57:13 PM): the negative diedinchrist95 (7:57:17 PM): Eyes are the window to the soul if you hide them you don't want anyone to get too close zoochikk (7:57:19 PM): maybe? stichure (7:57:21 PM): Of what zoo stichure (7:57:24 PM): Better answer Christ stichure (7:57:30 PM): You're on the right track, zoo... develop it zoochikk (7:57:32 PM): What ever they did?? stichure (7:57:33 PM): Explain, race stichure (7:57:41 PM): What does the sun represent stichure (7:57:46 PM): What specific negative, seven ssevenjc (7:57:49 PM): the world diedinchrist95 (7:57:52 PM): good zoochikk (7:57:56 PM): brightness zoochikk (7:57:58 PM): light stichure (7:58:00 PM): Be more specific zoochikk (7:58:01 PM): exposed ssevenjc (7:58:06 PM): the ones not like her stichure (7:58:08 PM): Who is she afraid of being exposed zoochikk (7:58:15 PM): " i can see" zoochikk (7:58:20 PM): Dee t_ra_ce (7:58:22 PM): if we put light on a strong subject (our mother living in a shack with a cow) it may hurt our eyes stichure (7:58:33 PM): Race, it interesting stichure (7:58:51 PM): Zoo, what is dee afraid is going to be exposed about her self t_ra_ce (7:58:52 PM): we don't wear sunglasses at night zoochikk (7:59:01 PM): she is a little bit of a b.s er diedinchrist95 (7:59:05 PM): her actual roots stichure (7:59:07 PM): Is it nighttime? Race zoochikk (7:59:09 PM): she is not real t_ra_ce (7:59:11 PM): no stichure (7:59:12 PM): Good point Christ t_ra_ce (7:59:17 PM): noontime stichure (7:59:18 PM): That is correct zoo stichure (7:59:26 PM): Okay... I was just wondering why you mention sunglasses at night zoochikk (7:59:33 PM): zoochikk (7:59:40 PM): haha zoochikk (7:59:42 PM): that is a song t_ra_ce (7:59:46 PM): light of day stichure (7:59:59 PM): All of these things that you're all mentioning are all symbolic of enlightenment or exposure on a personal level t_ra_ce (8:00:05 PM): yes stichure (8:00:11 PM): And the fact that she is wearing sunglasses tells us that she is afraid of real enlightenment or relative motor zoochikk (8:00:12 PM): I smelled b.s as soon as I was getting to know Dee's character stichure (8:00:13 PM): Really exposed or t_ra_ce (8:00:15 PM): she was a sight for poor eyes stichure (8:00:20 PM): Well, zoo, it is a farm zoochikk (8:00:27 PM): haha stichure (8:00:34 PM): That's a nice pun race zoochikk (8:00:36 PM): better check my boots zoochikk (8:00:53 PM): yup race! stichure (8:00:58 PM): What about the butter churn thingy, as it was so aptly described zoochikk (8:01:03 PM): haha zoochikk (8:01:13 PM): a dashboard?? stichure (8:01:19 PM): Try again stichure (8:01:24 PM): Since they don't have a car, I doubt stichure (8:01:26 PM): It Yahoo! Messenger (8:01:27 PM): llmizshortyll has joined the conference. t_ra_ce (8:01:33 PM): butter would have been for the priveledged during slavery diedinchrist95 (8:01:35 PM): dasher stichure (8:01:37 PM): hey Shorty zoochikk (8:01:42 PM): when I read that i didn't know what they were talking about? stichure (8:01:47 PM): We are discussing symbolism in everyday use stichure (8:02:01 PM): Well, race, they have a cow zoochikk (8:02:03 PM): it rep. sweat and tears stichure (8:02:04 PM): And this is the 1970s zoochikk (8:02:09 PM): hard work t_ra_ce (8:02:12 PM): the slaves would have made the butter for the owners stichure (8:02:20 PM): What is the dasherr do t_ra_ce (8:02:23 PM): now it would be a memory of that stichure (8:02:25 PM): Think more literally right now ssevenjc (8:02:25 PM): the churner was very old and used stichure (8:02:33 PM): Nobody in a family remembers slavery stichure (8:02:36 PM): Their two young t_ra_ce (8:02:39 PM): oh yeah stichure (8:02:39 PM): They are two young stichure (8:02:41 PM): too t_ra_ce (8:02:42 PM): trying diedinchrist95 (8:02:45 PM): went up and down to churn the butter llmizshortyll (8:02:47 PM): hey stichure (8:02:48 PM): Where they come from, seven\ ssevenjc (8:02:54 PM): oh stichure (8:02:56 PM): Where did the Dasher come from stichure (8:03:01 PM): Wal-Mart? ssevenjc (8:03:03 PM): outside zoochikk (8:03:04 PM): hahahaha stichure (8:03:05 PM): That's correct Christ stichure (8:03:15 PM): How important is it to Maggie and her mother zoochikk (8:03:16 PM): stichure (8:03:22 PM): Was a used that day t_ra_ce (8:03:24 PM): it is worn from use stichure (8:03:25 PM): Was it used that day zoochikk (8:03:26 PM): it's not diedinchrist95 (8:03:28 PM): Uncle Buddy stichure (8:03:29 PM): That's correct race t_ra_ce (8:03:29 PM): not used zoochikk (8:03:34 PM): something in their way stichure (8:03:37 PM): Are you sure stichure (8:03:40 PM): Are you sure t_ra_ce (8:03:42 PM): no t_ra_ce (8:03:46 PM): not sure llmizshortyll (8:03:49 PM): sorry im a lil behind what story are we talking about rite now stichure (8:03:54 PM): Everyday use zoochikk (8:04:02 PM): chking stichure (8:04:04 PM): By Alice Walker zoochikk (8:04:07 PM): ohhh llmizshortyll (8:04:07 PM): k stichure (8:04:12 PM): Yes, zoo? zoochikk (8:04:24 PM): zoochikk (8:04:36 PM): It was something they used everyday? zoochikk (8:04:43 PM): hence the title ssevenjc (8:04:50 PM): hehe stichure (8:04:51 PM): Well, that was a phrase used to describe quilts t_ra_ce (8:04:54 PM): maggie hung it up t_ra_ce (8:05:01 PM): maybe they used it stichure (8:05:03 PM): Buddy, that the butter churn been used that day stichure (8:05:11 PM): heheh stichure (8:05:26 PM): had the churn beeen used that day zoochikk (8:05:46 PM): didnt i read that momma tripping on it, in her way?? stichure (8:05:56 PM): What does that tell you... diedinchrist95 (8:06:04 PM): no the milk in it was rotten stichure (8:06:16 PM): Be careful Christ diedinchrist95 (8:06:17 PM): but it was regularly used stichure (8:06:21 PM): Carefully stichure (8:06:24 PM): Read it carefully stichure (8:06:28 PM): It was regularly used zoochikk (8:06:34 PM): ok diedinchrist95 (8:06:36 PM): ok what is clabber then zoochikk (8:06:59 PM): Dee wanting it ..."Didn't Uncle Buddy whittle it out of a tree you all used to have?" zoochikk (8:07:04 PM): what is wittle??? zoochikk (8:07:12 PM): whittle? diedinchrist95 (8:07:15 PM): carve with a knife stichure (8:07:18 PM): Sour curdled milk ssevenjc (8:07:18 PM): yellow stichure (8:07:22 PM): That is correct Christ stichure (8:07:27 PM): Why would the milk turns sour stichure (8:07:30 PM): How long does it take zoochikk (8:07:32 PM): sitting stichure (8:07:35 PM): Where diedinchrist95 (8:07:35 PM): overnight stichure (8:07:37 PM): Were not where stichure (8:07:42 PM): or not where t_ra_ce (8:07:45 PM): to make sour cream stichure (8:07:53 PM): Or other things stichure (8:08:03 PM): Where do they get their milk ssevenjc (8:08:08 PM): cows t_ra_ce (8:08:08 PM): from the cow stichure (8:08:09 PM): Do they have a refrigerator zoochikk (8:08:15 PM): no t_ra_ce (8:08:15 PM): no llmizshortyll (8:08:16 PM): no ssevenjc (8:08:18 PM): not sure stichure (8:08:25 PM): Why would the milk be sour stichure (8:08:32 PM): They don't have any electricity, seven zoochikk (8:08:33 PM): milk does not take long to go bad llmizshortyll (8:08:35 PM): its rotten stichure (8:08:36 PM): That is correct ssevenjc (8:08:37 PM): ioh ssevenjc (8:08:40 PM): oh stichure (8:08:42 PM): The reason our milk does not is because stichure (8:08:45 PM): It is refrigerated stichure (8:08:47 PM): It is pasteurized zoochikk (8:08:48 PM): frig stichure (8:08:50 PM): It is homogenized zoochikk (8:08:53 PM): hahaha stichure (8:08:57 PM): It is basically designed to stay together zoochikk (8:09:00 PM): milk does a body good stichure (8:09:03 PM): And not develop any nasty bacteria stichure (8:09:14 PM): And of course, keeping it cold is a must stichure (8:09:19 PM): Do they use the butter churn ssevenjc (8:09:25 PM): yes zoochikk (8:09:28 PM): Definitely t_ra_ce (8:09:28 PM): i think so zoochikk (8:09:29 PM): yes stichure (8:09:31 PM): What happens if dee takes it with her zoochikk (8:09:36 PM): centerpiece stichure (8:09:36 PM): What impact does it have on her family stichure (8:09:43 PM): That's what she wanted for diedinchrist95 (8:09:43 PM): they must get a newone stichure (8:09:48 PM): Where did they get the old one t_ra_ce (8:09:49 PM): how will they make cream, butter, etc... stichure (8:09:56 PM): Good question diedinchrist95 (8:09:57 PM): the family made it t_ra_ce (8:09:59 PM): made stichure (8:10:01 PM): That is correct ssevenjc (8:10:04 PM): a tree outside zoochikk (8:10:08 PM): a show piece to exaggerate about stichure (8:10:08 PM): Exactly ssevenjc (8:10:11 PM): yellow wood stichure (8:10:16 PM): Softwood stichure (8:10:30 PM): does dee really think about the impact she has our family t_ra_ce (8:10:32 PM): tree outside of dee's namesakes house stichure (8:10:32 PM): On her family stichure (8:10:36 PM): Interesting t_ra_ce (8:10:38 PM): no ssevenjc (8:10:39 PM): no diedinchrist95 (8:10:43 PM): no only wants stichure (8:10:50 PM): When dee rejects the name, what is she symbolically rejecting t_ra_ce (8:10:57 PM): her family stichure (8:11:02 PM): Indeed ssevenjc (8:11:03 PM): her family stichure (8:11:06 PM): Yes stichure (8:11:11 PM): More... zoochikk (8:11:13 PM): The story makes Dee seem like she has money, where did it come from? t_ra_ce (8:11:22 PM): being poor stichure (8:11:23 PM): Where did it come from diedinchrist95 (8:11:26 PM): her whole heritage stichure (8:11:30 PM): That is correct race stichure (8:11:34 PM): That is more correct Christ ssevenjc (8:11:35 PM): where she came from stichure (8:11:39 PM): That is correct seven zoochikk (8:11:45 PM): She has no job? stichure (8:11:57 PM): As part of a theme for this story, Walker is examining inter-family conflict ssevenjc (8:12:01 PM): does it say? stichure (8:12:04 PM): Zoo, what does she do for living stichure (8:12:14 PM): It's been mentioned today zoochikk (8:12:20 PM): I thought she was a student stichure (8:12:23 PM): That's exactly yet stichure (8:12:25 PM): It zoochikk (8:12:27 PM): Art stichure (8:12:29 PM): And how does she pay for it zoochikk (8:12:44 PM): mom, grandma? stichure (8:12:48 PM): Not really stichure (8:12:52 PM): The mother tells us stichure (8:12:57 PM): Grandmother's dead zoochikk (8:12:58 PM): loans? stichure (8:13:02 PM): Try again t_ra_ce (8:13:05 PM): mom & church zoochikk (8:13:13 PM): i remember now zoochikk (8:13:14 PM): ty t_ra_ce (8:13:15 PM): christian church stichure (8:13:17 PM): Exactly stichure (8:13:19 PM): heheh stichure (8:13:21 PM): Nice point zoochikk (8:13:22 PM): poor maggie stichure: heheh stichure: Nice point zoochikk: poor maggie stichure: Does Maggie have a future t_ra_ce: yes ssevenjc: yes zoochikk: not really stichure: Which is...? ssevenjc: with jimmy t stichure: Careful zoo zoochikk: Chewing cud and sewing stichure: That is correct diedinchrist95: getting married ahving babies t_ra_ce: marry boy down the street zoochikk: she gets to marry a man with green teeth stichure: She's not a cow, zoo t_ra_ce: making quilts stichure: Again zoochikk: i mean tobacco stichure: In her mind stichure: For her culture stichure: And her experience stichure: Does she have a future stichure: Will she likely be happy t_ra_ce: future does not matter to maggie ssevenjc: yes zoochikk: Momma has a "hottie" picked out for her...hehe stichure: Try again race diedinchrist95: yes zoochikk: content maybe stichure: Look at the end of the story diedinchrist95: that is what is expected of her t_ra_ce: she more or less lives in the now not the future ssevenjc: she is content with her she is zoochikk: they gossip about dee and laugh ssevenjc: she is happy zoochikk: hehehehe stichure: Folks, just as you cannot say that Sylvia will change her mind and become an excellent student to get out a Harlem because that's what we would want, there is no indication that Maggie is unhappy with her choices or her future zoochikk: a simple life ssevenjc: they relax til they go to bed stichure: Simply because we may not want to live that way stichure: That is correct zoo stichure: That is correct seven stichure: In fact, is dee likely to come back and visit again zoochikk: yes diedinchrist95: yes ssevenjc: maybe t_ra_ce: maybe to get more stuff zoochikk: golddiggin for stuff stichure: What on earth would make you think so stichure: What's the answer already ssevenjc: she said no matter where she lives stichure: That was before she left ssevenjc: she will always come to visit stichure: And she said she would bring no one stichure: And she brought someone stichure: And that was before she became "Muslim" stichure: What was her purpose for the visit? t_ra_ce: to get stuff and tell them that they should change stichure: Did she get anything zoochikk: to show off t_ra_ce: no stichure: Did she make any progress about changing them ssevenjc: to bring back thins from her old house t_ra_ce: no ssevenjc: no stichure: Is she likely to come back t_ra_ce: no zoochikk: ransack the house! hahaha t_ra_ce: to try to get stuff, maybe stichure: did any character change during the story stichure: Race t_ra_ce: no zoochikk: no ssevenjc: the mother stichure: Explain seven zoochikk: flat stichure: Try again zoo ssevenjc: she took the quilt back stichure: Bigger issue, seven stichure: You're correct, but that is the symbolism of the change ssevenjc: and gave it to maggie stichure: Not the change itself zoochikk: round diedinchrist95: seh stood up for Maggie stichure: What was the symbolic gesture supposed to mean stichure: At she ever done that before Christ stichure: Add stichure: had t_ra_ce: maggie is okay the way she is diedinchrist95: no Dee was the favorite stichure: What changed stichure: Who changed zoochikk: yeah! ssevenjc: no zoochikk: momma t_ra_ce: maggie is okay with mom stichure: In what ways you stichure: In what way, zoo zoochikk: she stood up to Dee stichure: Did that ever happened before, zoo zoochikk: told her NO stichure: Exactly zoochikk: no stichure: EXACTLY ssevenjc: she stood up for maggie stichure: There you go zoochikk: ahhhh! stichure: is she likely to let dee run over them again zoochikk: NO ssevenjc: no zoochikk: She took a stand t_ra_ce: she used to worry about maggie and liked dee stichure: So is deee likely to come back for more stuff stichure: How does Maggie feel now that dee is gone stichure: After getting the quilts from her mother zoochikk: Probabley not t_ra_ce: smiles stichure: I agree zoo ssevenjc: relaxed again stichure: What kind of smile, race diedinchrist95: content stichure: Yes seven zoochikk: She was shocked it happened stichure: Yes Christ stichure: Yes zoo t_ra_ce: real smile not scared zoochikk: Dee (the brat) stichure: Good use of text, race t_ra_ce: t/y stichure: Has something happened stichure: Has somebody changed stichure: Has a change occurred t_ra_ce: maggie changed too zoochikk: Took a stand for what was right stichure: That is correct zoo stichure: In what way, race zoochikk: That is good Professor t_ra_ce: not scared stichure: thanks zoo stichure: Yes, race zoochikk: that was a sneaky change ssevenjc: they are not going to be walked all over again t_ra_ce: chin on chest eyes on ground feet in shuffle in beginning stichure: And later? t_ra_ce: did not describe her walk that way to get snuff zoochikk: Momma showing assertivness stichure: There you go stichure: Your theme is going to center around Walker's point. It may be a discussion about family issues stichure: And may be a discussion about what happens within a culture stichure: It may be an issue about generational issues stichure: The items that dee wants are symbolic stichure: The way she dresses is symbolic stichure: The building in which they live is symbolic stichure: The dirt floor stichure: The glassless window zoochikk: cows all around the front yard stichure: Maggie's scars are both literal and figurative stichure: Has anyone done a research on this author zoochikk: injured from the fire t_ra_ce: no zoochikk: no diedinchrist95: yes ssevenjc: no diedinchrist95: a little stichure: Christ... what did you find stichure: Which character is the author most like zoochikk: just the brief blurb it said before the story diedinchrist95: seh was blinded at eight by her brothers spent some time in Africa diedinchrist95: maggie zoochikk: Maggie or the author?? t_ra_ce: would have guessed dee zoochikk: hehe stichure: In what ways is the author like dee t_ra_ce: spending time in africa zoochikk: Wanted a better life for herself diedinchrist95: she lvies in the city stichure: Zoo, better answer stichure: Race, there's no indication that dee spent anytime in Africa zoochikk: make something of herself? stichure: But she is spending time in a place where Walker spent time stichure: In what way zoom stichure: zoo zoochikk: haha stichure: Yes Christ t_ra_ce: no -- i was thinking about dee's concentration on african studies zoochikk: oh simple stuff diedinchrist95: college stichure: That could probably be a connection, race stichure: Yes Christ stichure: In fact, some secondary sources might even say that this is a discussion with an Alice Walker over which aspects of her own heritage and character are more important to her diedinchrist95: I was thinking about the disfigurement and being content with what she has t_ra_ce: maybe she is a combination of both maggie and dee -- with the blind and studying and all stichure: With an Alice Walker stichure: within stichure: Those are appropriate to Christ stichure: Very good race t_ra_ce: is alice walker's mother still alive? stichure: I don't know stichure: I'm sure in 1970 she may have been stichure: But the mother may be a mixture of the two aspects ssevenjc has left the conference. t_ra_ce: wondering if it is a statement to what she might have had with a mother zoochikk: will somebody be so kind and share this info with me? page please? zoochikk: hehe stichure: In fact, there is a secondary source that says that the author uses the mother as a way to examine herself from two different sides diedinchrist95: onthe internet Google her stichure: Zoo, you're connected his research stichure: You're going to have to do some research stichure: In fact, we all are stichure: Have we discuss secondary sources diedinchrist95: no llmizshortyll: what is that stichure: Let's talk stichure: Your second paper t_ra_ce: ? stichure: Is a 5-7 page paper zoochikk: oh stichure: It requires three to five secondary sources stichure: A secondary source is merely an article or SA in which the author discusses the work or the author your examining stichure: Secondary sources are available for this class specifically through citrus college stichure: The best way to go about this is to go to the library and pickup the online resource sheet available to all students stichure: It has passwords and logins for you to use to get access to the secondary sources stichure: If you open a browser window right now, I can give you an example stichure: Tummy when you're ready stichure: Tell me when you're ready stichure: In the meantime, stichure: You're required to analyze this work based on symbolism, theme and narrative point of view. diedinchrist95: ready t_ra_ce: ready llmizshortyll: ready stichure: You'll likely discuss the narrative point of the first, as with two of the three stories, the first-person narrative affects specifically how the story is told stichure: Go to citrus college.com or go to my main web site stichure: Telling when you're there stichure: Tell me when you're there t_ra_ce: there stichure: The second item that you will cover is the setting, as everything is bound around the setting stichure: Also, the setting is symbolic in all three stories and therefore will launch you into the rest of your essay, the majority of which is a discussion of symbolism llmizshortyll: do we write about all three stories llmizshortyll: or do we pick one stichure: No stichure: You just pick one stichure: From the lesson llmizshortyll: okay stichure: Everyday use llmizshortyll: worn path? stichure: or worn path stichure: Exactly llmizshortyll: ok stichure: Is everybody there diedinchrist95: there stichure: http://www.citruscollege.com/DE/Eiland/distance/engl101/engl101.htm llmizshortyll: is there any one topic u want us to focus on stichure: Click here if you're not there yet stichure: I just mentioned it, Shorty stichure: Symbolism, setting and narrative point of view llmizshortyll: o llmizshortyll: alrite stichure: To show a theme is presented by the story stichure: Once you have gotten to the page, click on a library link t_ra_ce: there stichure: http://lib.citruscollege.edu/ stichure: You will notice that there is an entire section four English 101 stichure: You'll also find that the "search databases" section is helpful stichure: Click on English 1o1 stichure: The two most helpful elements will be ebscohost stichure: And twaynes... also known as the literature resource Center stichure: Go to the literature resource Center stichure: If you're on campus, it will immediately linked to you. stichure: As we are off-campus, a pass code is required stichure: The password stichure: is stichure: Glen55457 stichure: The capital G is necessary stichure: Let me know when you're in t_ra_ce: in stichure: Christ, Shorty, zoo stichure: http://lib.citruscollege.edu/ diedinchrist95: in llmizshortyll: the password stichure: Glen55457 stichure: in exactly that way llmizshortyll: in stichure: The first thing I want you to do is a biography search stichure: You'll notice that it is an author search... put in either Welty, Walker or Bambara stichure: Your defined at least one biography of the author stichure: Even if you do not use the information stichure: The bottom line is that for everyday use and the lesson, the author is very much like one or more of the characters in the story stichure: For a warned that, which will discuss next week, the author's experience directly led her to the writing story stichure: wprn path stichure: You'll notice that when you type in an author's name of the top, he gives you several biographical links zoochikk: sorry had to get my daughter out of bathtub stichure: Choose the author that is correct in appropriate stichure: Its okays zoo zoochikk: pjs and all stichure: Once you get on a biography page, it will list for you a number of articles, which you can read by clicking on stichure: Also, you'll notice there's a series of tabs at the top include historical timeline, additional resources, and most importantly LITERARY CRITICISM stichure: The literary criticism is what we will be using stichure: These are critical analyses very much like your papers, only written by grad students and professors stichure: They discussed specifically the same elements you are discussing stichure: Theme stichure: Symbolism stichure: Conflict stichure: Setting stichure: Point of view stichure: Irony stichure: Remember that I did not ask you for anything other then Beemer symbolism setting and narrative point of view stichure: theme stichure: Which means you will have to read through the assays end ignore the ones that talk about things like irony and conflict stichure: It is likely you'll read 20 or 30 of these essays to find four or five good quotes stichure: It is likely you'll find one quote in entire essay stichure: That's the way it works stichure: That's why it's called research stichure: And not just search stichure: Your job is to find quoted lines from the essays that you will incorporate into your own discussion to support your analysis of the story llmizshortyll: are there even 5 LC for worn path? stichure: You will file that quotation with the author's last name and the page number stichure: I don't know what lc means llmizshortyll: literary criticism zoochikk: you read my mind stichure llmizshortyll: sorry stichure: According to one search, a student found 6700 returns for Worn Path and Eudora Welty zoochikk: i was gonna ask the same thing llmizshortyll: okay llmizshortyll: just making sure stichure: In fact, if you choose Worn Path, your problem is searching through so much material stichure: The lesson is probably the one with the least amount of material llmizshortyll: i did this kind of research in high school llmizshortyll: its very hard llmizshortyll: and long stichure: Also be aware that originally the story was from a larger story called gorilla my love stichure: However the past few years several articles have been written about the lesson specifically zoochikk: i got the feelign about that story to, its a little weirdish stichure: But keep in mind t_ra_ce: easier now with computers stichure: That your job is to sift through what is not useful and find what is zoochikk: figure there is all kinds of hidden stuff in that one stichure: Imagine what it was like when some of us older people went to college and everything was in a book in the library llmizshortyll: o man stichure: In fact, much of this is in the library and an excuse you cannot make is that the library people would not help you... they are very helpful llmizshortyll: i dont know what i wouldve done stichure: In fact, stichure: That you have found a biography or two stichure: Click on the literary criticism stab zoochikk: tab stichure: You notice there is a list llmizshortyll: yah stichure: I put in stichure: Welty stichure: And I got was 70 essays stichure: As you read through, you must note the title and author and other information for that particular essay stichure: Because at the end of your essay, you will create from a works cited llmizshortyll: some of the essays are about other stories stichure: A works cited page is a page that shows a specific sources you used stichure: And you ignore those Shorty llmizshortyll: but if theres quotes that describe just the author llmizshortyll: can we use that llmizshortyll: like general remarks t_ra_ce: will this code work for us tomorrow? or next month, too? stichure: Listed on the works cited will be the primary source, which is the story, as well as the secondary sources you use, including a dictionary or Encyclopedia were even the arp and Johnson book. If you quote something from arp and Johnson, like the definition for symbol, they will be listed in your works cited stichure: For the rest of the year, race stichure: Yes, Shorty, if it fits in with the theme llmizshortyll: okay llmizshortyll: and when is this assignment due stichure: Many authors use the same things over and over again, and Alice Walker specially uses recurrent themes about family issues and black on black conflicts stichure: I will post a due date next week but it's likely by the end of the month llmizshortyll: thanks stichure: Tony cade bambara constantly wrote about inner-city conflict within the black community stichure: So general discussions about themes presented by these authors will work as long as it gets the story that you read and that you writing about stichure: It a go to my web site, zoochikk: Is there any examples of works cited ...can you show me Professor? stichure: Under stichure: He read my mind's new stichure: You read my mind, zoo stichure: go to my web site stichure: Under paper format and test instruction stichure: You'll find there is a discussion of primary sources stichure: Secondary sources stichure: Works cited stichure: An example the works cited page zoochikk: you been hangin with momma and dee to long...haha stichure: The works cited page list all of the articles that you used in alphabetical order stichure: By authors last name stichure: The information I need is as follows stichure: Authors last name and first name stichure: In that order stichure: Walker, Alice. stichure: The title of the article or story t_ra_ce: author of the article? stichure: "Everyday use" stichure: The title of the book, journal or anthology from which it came stichure: Perrine's story and structure stichure: The city in which was published stichure: New York stichure: The publishing company stichure: Heinle and thomson stichure: And finally, the publication here stichure: Year stichure: 2002 llmizshortyll: k t_ra_ce: articles we quote will cite the author of the article, right? diedinchrist95: ok I have a question, when I was reading about Welty the article said that she kept her life private so what she wrote could just "be" Why is it important that we pick apart all of these stories?? zoochikk: Can't we just write something like: Works cited: NUNYA (business) zoochikk: I am kidding...sorry stichure: Walker, Alice. "Everyday Use." Perrine story and structure, edited by Arp and Johnson, 10th edition. United States: Heinle and Thomson, 2002 stichure: yer a laff riot, so stichure: That is correct race stichure: Christ, because if you can figure out what somebody means in a story, you can figure out what somebody means in a play, in a movie, on a sitcom and in a speech diedinchrist95: shouldn't it just mean what we get out of it? zoochikk: stichure: Funny thing is, Christ is that Welty actually had a very public life because she worked for the government and was a well-known writer. Also, she explains a great deal about the themes in her work stichure: Not in a college class, Christ stichure: In other words, understanding how authors you symbolism and setting in order to tell a story makes your understanding of the story greater. stichure: And therefore what you get out of it is more stichure: When you read these analyses, you'll understand how critics analyze work. zoochikk: Thus ..critical thinking, and critical writing stichure: The reason there is more than one correct answer is because there's more than one way to look at these works stichure: There you go zoo stichure: However, your limited by the constraints of normal thinking stichure: We are going to get into a great deal of symbolism in a worn path stichure: And just as a tree can mean strength (Oak) or flexibility (the seas Willow) or even generally family, the definition that applies is based on the theme presented in story stichure: And as an educated reader, we began to understand more clearly how authors use these elements to create unified things stichure: Themes stichure: To tell a story stichure: To make a point zoochikk: I bet a person could really mess up the story by looking too much into it and taking it out of context, right? stichure: Absolutely stichure: But also misunderstanding where the authors coming from stichure: Knowing that meeting Gordimer is from South Africa stichure: And that they story was written during the 1980s at the turn of apartheid stichure: Helps explain her story about an unnamed place in which a family is afraid of people don't look like them stichure: The bottom line is that her story and its characters could really be from anywhere, but understanding that she lived in a strongly segregated and racist society shows us where she's going with it stichure: And of course, we understand why it was a child that was injured and not for sample the grandmother or the father stichure: Because child is symbolic stichure: As is grand Mother stichure: And a injured child is much more tragic stichure: Because of the things it symbolizes stichure: I want at least one use of primary source in every paragraph of the body stichure: Quoted and sided stichure: I want at least one use of a secondary source in every paragraph of the body stichure: Go to the library and get the password sheet zoochikk: I read somewhere today that said to pay close attention to specific "things" the author repeats..a job mentioned..a place.. stichure: You can start tonight using literary resource center stichure: Of course stichure: That would've been on my web site stichure: And in the book stichure: Because authers repeat things stichure: like stichure: You have been warned stichure: Happily ever after stichure: Or more importantly stichure: Contrast between old and new stichure: Liked in bride comes to yellow sky zoochikk: in "a worn path" kept talking about birds stichure: Contrast between poor and rich in the lesson stichure: And plants as well stichure: Along with all the other obstacles in her way stichure: Everything she runs into is symbolic stichure: Animals stichure: Specifically birds stichure: Plants and trees stichure: Items in the way stichure: People stichure: Etc. stichure: By next week you should have decided which get her story you're going to discuss stichure: And we will discuss the wealthy story as well as get into specific questions about your paper stichure: Any questions stichure: The welty story t_ra_ce: none here stichure: In our discussions here we did not even close to covering all of the symbols, so there's plenty for issues from as well is using the ones we discussed here stichure: Is plenty for us to choose from stichure: Have a good week zoochikk: How much time should I allow myself extra in the lib tomorrow stichure: Two hours stichure: Get started stichure: Talk to Barbara Rugeley zoochikk: see ya manyana stichure: She can help stichure: buhbye zoo zoochikk: spelling ?? zoochikk: nite all stichure: manana zoochikk: gracias stichure: no hay de que zoochikk: como? zoochikk: que? zoochikk: hahaha zoochikk has left the conference. stichure: bye christ stichure: bye shorty diedinchrist95: adios stichure: bye rac diedinchrist95 has left the conference. t_ra_ce: bye, prof. stichure: ciao t_ra_ce: thanks stichure: yer welco,me