carmel718 has joined the conference. HeavenlyFlower731 has joined the conference. stichure: hey now...still loading jjspinner13: No, thank you. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: jjspinner13 has declined to join. gregnercessian has joined the conference. stichure: hey now greg gregnercessian: How are you. let's do this stichure: today we will be discussing the use of secondary sources and the works excited page as well as the title page. These will be necessary for your second paper HeavenlyFlower731: okay, since i missed last week gregnercessian: sounds good stichure: a couple of things stichure: is toughthis is a combined chat with the regular distance said 101 and the late start 101. Next week, the late start 101 will discuss worn path while I discuss other things with the reg class and after that both classes will be on the same track stichure: besides the discussion about symbol, theme and setting as well as narrative point of view in this paper, make this paper different from your first paper. The first thing is the requirement of the title page. stichure: the title page used to be standard for MLA stichure: some instructors will require total pages for papers, and others won't. For that purpose, I will show you what a title page is and I will require one for this paper. There will not be a requirement for one on the final paper stichure: everyone please go to my web site... tell me when you there stichure: not blackboard... my web site carmel718: ok gregnercessian: ok stichure: paper format aND TEST INSTRUCTIONS stichure: caps lock stichure: http://www.citruscollege.com/DE/Eiland/eiland_shared/ppts.htm stichure: scroll down to paper format stichure: TITLE PAGES stichure: let me know when you're there carmel718: there gregnercessian: i'm there stichure: on your paper, normally you will put your name and the date and the title of your work on the top of the first page of text. Then approximately a quarter weight down you will start the text of your essay stichure: the title page is designed to put specific information on that first page. Centered about one third to one quarter of the way down, you'll have the title of your paper. That is a TU. The title of the paper should reflect the context of the Simon, but I am very lenient when it comes to what specific title could be. Creativity is OK as far as I'm concerned and certainly you get to use all the cool fonts that you wish stichure: title of your paper is up to you stichure: the title of the paper should reflect context of the assignment stichure: people also might put in a picture stichure: I don't care about that part stichure: what is important, and what my help also you as well as your instructor, is the information in the lower right hand side, justified to the right margin. The information should be as follows: your name. the class for which the assignment was completed. the instructor's name. The date it is being submitted. stichure: this should be spaced about an inch from the bottom of the page stichure: the first page of text, then, should not have any title or any other information unless you want to have a running header in the far upper right corner of your paper which will have your name and the page number for every page that you submit. stichure: some people will complain that the title page requires that they actually write more material since that first page would then have to be filled up with brilliant text, let me put your mind at ease... the first page of your actual text should start a quarter to a third of the way down, just as most books start each chapter a quarter to a third of the way down the page stichure: again, this paper requires a title page. stichure: any questions about the title page stichure: there are title page examples linked from the page you are looking at stichure: you'll notice that each of them has a title gregnercessian: No. stichure: you'll notice that in the lower right hand corner, we have the requisite information. stichure: again, follow the style and no one gets hurt HeavenlyFlower731: so it's going to be like this with all the papers right? stichure: what's far more important, far more complex and required for any literature paper required thereafter in this class, and certainly any literature class you'll take in college, is a works cited page. stichure: flower, it is required for this particular paper... if you choose to put one on your final paper that is up to you HeavenlyFlower731: okay stichure: a works cited page only makes sense when you understand what goes on it... and that requires the understanding of the use of secondary sources stichure: go back to the paper format and test instruction page stichure: choose secondary sources stichure: as we discussed earlier, the primary source is the story under discussion. As on the first paper, this paper will require you to quote directly from the primary source at least once per body paragraph, using that quotation to support your analysis of the material. stichure: secondary sources are those sources that are required to support your analysis of the primary source. x0missmiseryx0 has joined the conference. gregnercessian: ok stichure: we're discussing secondary sources measuring stichure: misery x0missmiseryx0: ok HeavenlyFlower731: okay, i printed it out stichure: secondary sources are essentially like the first paper you did for me. They are researched analysis of the primary source from specific critical perspectives. For our purposes, we are looking for material that specifically discusses what I asked you to discuss... symbolism... theme... setting and narrative point of view stichure: these critical analyses also include biographical information about the author and historical context for the work stichure: you are to use at least one of the secondary sources in every body paragraph of your essay... the same as required for the primary source. gregnercessian: got it stichure: usually the way that it works is as follows... you have an idea about the symbolism in... say... the lesson... you decide that Harlem represents poverty. stichure: you find a quotation from the story that you think supports that notion as presented by the author stichure: then, you research and find an article by the different author who wrote about the lesson and find a quotation which they also explained how Harlem represents... in this story... poverty stichure: you make your point in your words stichure: you then follow that with the primary source to support that stichure: you then follow that with the secondary source to support your use of the primary source stichure: and then you follow that with your final analysis to wrap up that particular point gregnercessian: example? carmel718: question stichure: keep in mind that like the primary source, the secondary source is therefore support rather than to speak for itself. It should not begin or end a paragraph. quotation of either primary or secondary source material should not comprise the majority of the paragraph stichure: it requires all so that you site using the author's last name and the page number if it is available gregnercessian: would that example be for setting? stichure: a very short concise version would be something along the lines of this... stichure: that is correct greg carmel718: in your example earlier does the 'other author' have to discuss the lesson? carmel718: or is it enough that the author discuss how harlem represents poverty carmel718: other author stichure: in the lesson, 5th Ave. represents irresponsible spending. For example, as the children approach the toy store, they see a woman wearing a fur coat. "'white folks crazy"" (Bambara 34), says sugar, pointing out the unnecessary use of the coat and it's obvious intention to impress others. Jones also points out that "the children's understanding that the wealth exhibited around them ignores an even insults their own poverty makes clear that Bambara's point is more about any quality than it is about education" (Jones 34). Bambara's use of 5th Ave. in contrast to Harlem also intensifies that notion, especially when Sylvia explains her lack of basic necessities. stichure: that depends Carmel.... you are required to find some specific secondary source material on your work... we will get to some of sources in a minute. However, dictionary and Encyclopedia resources on terminology and other obvious symbols... for example phoenix from one path... and sailboat from the lesson will be useful as well carmel718: ok stichure: how you use your secondary sources is in some ways up to you. But you must use the sources in order to explain a story that you chose within the context of the theme that you chose borninshadow has joined the conference. borninshadow: Sorry for the tardiness stichure: hello shadow... secondary sources... linked from the paper format and test instruction page stichure: it's OK shadow gregnercessian: it's making more sense now gregnercessian: thanks stichure: again, I expect you to pare the primary and secondary sources together in order to show that you understand what the secondary source is saying. Besides having you use the secondary source to support the primary source symbols that you found, another way is to read your secondary sources and to discover what they inform you of concerning that work. stichure: an example would be if you found in your research a discussion of the symbolism of the animals in one pass. While certainly some of them like owl or the Fox may be obvious to you, some of the others like the bobwhite, which is a small quail... might be less obvious. Your secondary sources may tell you something you have not learned. In order for you to use that material, make the point that was made by the secondary source critic, use the secondary source quotation, and then you find a primary source quotation that supports what they said. You then end your paragraph with your wrap up analysis. Again, the consistency is that you are keeping the text with in the body of that paragraph and are using it for support rather than to make the point by itself stichure: never begin or end a paragraph with quoted text stichure: does everyone understand in theory what we're doing carmel718: yes carmel718: a lot of research needed borninshadow: Secondary sources to help confirm symbols from the text, right? stichure: for this paper, you are required to find free -- five secondary sources and one of them must be a biography. The biographical information will support your contention that the story is related to the author either because a character represents the author in some way or that the author's own life experience or job is somehow reflected in the origin of the story or the setting of the story stichure: that is correct shadow stichure: Carmel, these types of classes are research classes. What makes this class transfer to Cal State and UC is the research paper Judy Hollers has joined the conference. carmel718: i wasn't complaining stichure: hehe...and unfortunately it would not make any difference if you did... what I was pointing out Carmel, is that essentially what we did for the first paper was to prepare you for this paper in this paper is merely small version of your final paper as well. Once you understand what to do on this paper, you will know what to do for your final paper as well in terms of content and support as well as format stichure: by now you should have chosen the topic of your second paper stichure: what we're about to do right now is together go to the library stichure: are you all ready gregnercessian: what type of sources should we use...specifically stichure: did you bring your permission slip and your lunch stichure: about to show you Greg borninshadow: Uh oh... borninshadow: Uh teacher? I left my permission left at home gregnercessian: all ready for my field trip stichure: sigh.... stichure: shadow, shadow, shadow stichure: open a Web browser and go to the citrus college main page stichure: the other option is to go to my main page and scroll all the way to the bottom and you will find a link to the library Judy Hollers: ready stichure: tell me when you are at the library x0missmiseryx0: there carmel718: there gregnercessian: there stichure: literary analysis require specific information. You do not get information like this from Google lien or even going to a public library. It requires literary critical analysis that is usually found in college-level literary journals, as these are articles written by and for the academic field Judy Hollers: there gregnercessian: got it HeavenlyFlower731: oh okay, like a data base stichure: you'll notice that on the library web site there is a link for English 101. The reason for that is that eight rather large percentage of the citrus college library is specifically created for this class stichure: it is a database HeavenlyFlower731: lol stichure: a rather expensive one, but then, that's why we're here. stichure: if you click on an English 101, you will see that there are specific links designed for literary research. You could also go to the periodicals section link and you'll find other databases as well, but the ones linked from English 101 are specifically designed for critical analysis stichure: these resources require a password as well as the codename. If you go to the library, you will find some rather large pieces of paper that have a listing of all the passwords and all the code names that will get you into these web sites gregnercessian: i'm there stichure: I insisted that at some point this week you go to the library and pickup that sheet. You'll find it is also helpful work for research in your science classes as well as your other humanities courses stichure: to get us started, however, I will give you the Passcode to get into the literature resource Center gregnercessian: will do stichure: click on the literature resource Center and it will ask you for a password carmel718: it's asking for id stichure: absolutely stichure: write these two down... stichure: for the literature resource Center and for Twayne's the password is citrus... lowercase stichure: try now stichure: if it asks for a second code, use the same carmel718: ok stichure: let me know when you're in borninshadow: Richtig x0missmiseryx0: here gregnercessian: in stichure: my German is a little rusty, shadow borninshadow: Right or correct stichure: thank you... I learned something today borninshadow: heh heh stichure: you will notice the first thing that occurs is that it asks youto choose a direction. What I want you to do is to put the author's name of the work that you are analyzing into that box stichure: if it is worn past, the name is welty, Eudora stichure: if it is everyday use, the name is Walker, Alice stichure: if it is the lesson, it is Bambara Toni cade carmel718: ok stichure: if you only put any last name for Walker, you are likely to get the listing of every single author named Walker, which is a fairly common name stichure: so you need to choose your author... stichure: choose the one born in 1944 stichure: I want to know when everybody is there... carmel718: so that's what she looks like stichure: indeed gregnercessian: there borninshadow: Is it just me, or is that eye open really wide? stichure: born, when you read her biography perhaps that will explain why she looks that way carmel718: sheesh hehe stichure: flower, Judy, misery... borninshadow: I see... stichure: let me know when you're there stichure: or let me know if you're lost stichure: this is very important... you'll need this for your final paper as well x0missmiseryx0: there HeavenlyFlower731: browsing through the links from your website stichure: flour... go all the way down to the bottom of main page and find library link Judy Hollers: lost and slow gregnercessian: there HeavenlyFlower731: yeah, i'm on the citrus library webpage stichure: clicked on English 101 flower stichure: Judy... open a Web browser and go to my class gregnercessian: did you want us all to go to Walker for purposes of this discussion? stichure: no greg... I want you to put in the name of the author that you're going to write about stichure: I used Walker as an example stichure: either put in Bambara, Walker or welty stichure: might as well put in the author you're going to use because you want information you're going to use gregnercessian: on it stichure: for those of you who have found that page, click on the biography section... read the biography of the author that you have chosen gregnercessian: there are a few for bambara stichure: read any or all of them, Greg stichure: you'll notice folks at the first page that you get is a biography page. This is important for two reasons. One, you are required to discuss a certain level of biographical information as it pertains specifically to the story. Secondly, it's always interesting to know who you're writing about. In this particular assignment, you are required to discuss some aspect of the author's life as it pertains to the story. I do not... DO NOT... want a simple paragraph that is a biography. Instead, you're going to find some biographical information that is relevant to the work stichure: read the biographical information... at least one of them... now stichure: for those discussing Walker and Bambara, the author's own experience is reflected in at least one or more of the characters. stichure: for example, for those of you who noticed the way that Alice Walker looks, why does her eye look that way? carmel718: oh she got shot in the eye stichure: how did it make her feel as a child stichure: for those of you who are discussing Bambara, what did she do for living? stichure: where did she grow up? gregnercessian: politics and education gregnercessian: she was ms. moore stichure: that's it... stichure: that's the information specifically from the biography I'm looking for... I do not want a complete biography... I only want what is relevant to the story or its characters stichure: also, where did she grow up stichure: where did she do her work? That's what I'm looking for stichure: I don't need to know she was married or not... unless that's relevant to the story gregnercessian: harlem stichure: I did not need to know how she died... that is not relevant story gregnercessian: which is where the kids were from stichure: exactly stichure: do you see what I am saying... be selective gregnercessian: yep stichure: which character is Alice Walker like carmel718: maggie gregnercessian: I like when it becomes clear stichure: why Carmel stichure: me to Greg carmel718: she felt bad about herself after the accident carmel718: felt like an outcast carmel718: inferior like maggie gregnercessian: they are both deformed stichure: you will notice that these biographies are not attributable to an author... there is no critic whose given credit for this information. That means you must cite these according to title... since the barter face title is the author herself, the title of these would be the author's name in quotation marks... the others complete name so a citation from here would look like this ("Alice Walker") stichure: very good Carmel stichure: and what did Alice Walker do with her life... stichure: did she stay feeling scarred and inferior stichure: or did she change carmel718: "she turned to reading and began to write poems" HeavenlyFlower731 has joined the conference. stichure: and Carmel ... stichure: what did she do after that gregnercessian: don't understand the citation on these biographies carmel718: this woman had a lot of dark thoughts (scary) stichure: Gregg, since there is no author, you will cite according to title because there is no author carmel718: " She became a keen observer of human nature, taking time to see people and things around her in depth, to notice human relationships and to care how they turned out." carmel718: as her way to deal with her dark thoughts stichure: Carmel... what did Alice Walker do later in life stichure: is anybody researching Eudora Welty? x0missmiseryx0: yeah borninshadow: Welty here gregnercessian: so I would just put ("Bambara") stichure: for anyone doing Eudora Welty, I will tell you now that the author is not like any of the characters. Instead, it is the what the author did for living that is relevant to her choice of setting as well as to her choice of character... her choice of characters based on someone she saw stichure: what did she do for living Judy Hollers: when would you like this paper due? stichure: also, you will look for an article by Eudora Welty called "is Phoenix Jackson's grandson really dead"... that is one source that you will find by using Google stichure: due dates are posted on the blackboard, Judy Judy Hollers: ok thank you stichure: no greeg... ("Toni Cade Bambara") stichure: you also notice at the top of that page is other information... the publisher stichure: the date stichure: you need this information as your research stichure: you need the author if available of the article stichure: the title of the article stichure: the title of the work anthology or book the article came from stichure: the publisher stichure: the city of publication stichure: the year of publication carmel718: walker went to college then became an active participant in the civil rights movement stichure: it to work as a journal, volume number and issue number stichure: which character Carmel stichure: still Maggie? stichure: which character went to college carmel718: well that part is like dee stichure: of course stichure: do you see what I want from you gregnercessian: where is this publisher info??? borninshadow: I think Welty was a publicity agent for the Works Progress Administration stichure: this particular section will be won or two paragraphs... if you're discussing the lesson, your discussion of Ms. Moore as an embodiment of the author would be one paragraph. It will be in the discussion of Ms. Moore as a character. Judy Hollers: i get it stichure: if you discuss Alice Walker, you will note that he will discuss a particular aspect of Walker's life in each of two paragraphs one of each for each characters stichure: that is correct shadow... what was her job stichure: just a second greg...i'll show you where to get the information for this particular biographical stuff borninshadow: She went around taking pictures, interviews, and took her all over mississippi gregnercessian: O.k. So with Bambara, I would just include her info in the paragraph about Ms. Moore stichure: shadow, you will find in your research that she actually saw a woman just like Phoenix Jackson stichure: that is correct Greg stichure: folks, for these biographies this is how I want your information on your works cited page, which we will get to later carmel718: for walker, do we have to try to discuss how she's like the mother too? carmel718: still haven't found anything on that stichure: "Alice Walker" literature resource Center.Thompson Gale, 2005 stichure: know, Carmel stichure: no stichure: negative carmel718: whew stichure: any questions about the biographical information\ stichure: has everyone found something on a biography stichure: tell me when you're ready to move on gregnercessian: yes...but I don't see any way to cite this stuff other than ("Toni Cade Bambara") stichure: by the way, for you Alice Walker people, there is some updated information underneath her picture... noticed that there is a citation underneath that information... if you decide to use that information, which I do not think is necessarily relevant to this potato paper, you will note that the citation is different from the citation I just gave you\ stichure: that's exactly what I want you to do Greg gregnercessian: good stichure: citation in text is the author's name in quotation marks because that is the title of the article from where you got it carmel718: so no page number stichure: you'll notice on the page that you got all the list of the biographies there is a tab right next to the biography tab...literary criticism, articles and overview stichure: exactly Carmel stichure: because there are no pages stichure: click on that tab stichure: you will find that you have opened a database of literary criticism... these are all articles about this author's work stichure: if you have someone like Alice Walker that means a large number of articles about various topics. We must narrow these topics down stichure: so... we need "advanced search"... one of the rectangles above those tabs stichure: everyone clicked on ADVANCED SEARCH stichure: let me know when you're there carmel718: ok carmel718: down to 6 stichure: this is a very powerful tool. It allows you to designate a specific author stichure: a specific work stichure: even a specific term... symbol irony etc. stichure: we're looking for symbol gregnercessian: there stichure: theme stichure: setting stichure: narrative point of view Judy Hollers: there stichure: put the author's name... full name... in the top box stichure: in the next box, put the title of the work and change the little tab to the right of it to read title stichure: to read "title -- all words" gregnercessian: ok Judy Hollers: ok x0missmiseryx0: k HeavenlyFlower731: ok stichure: search gregnercessian: there stichure: of what you'll get it is of the articles that were written about this work stichure: if you find that you'll still have too much material, and that third box under advanced search, you can specify a particular literary term... symbol or theme and in the designated box next to it choose ALL TEXT stichure: the problem is is that some people discuss symbolism but use the term imagery stichure: the other problem is that the article is looking for the specific word you put in there stichure: if you choose the word symbol it will not find the words symbolize or symbolized or symbolizing stichure: if you choose the word theme it will not find the word thematic stichure: so what you do is give the root of the word that you are looking for with an asterisk\ stichure: example stichure: them* stichure: this will find a word theme, thematic, themed etc. stichure: imag* or symbol* stichure: this will find imagery, symbol, symbolized, symbolizing, symbols, imagesetc. Judy Hollers: oh ok stichure: in the articles that you find those words will be highlighted stichure: very often, this sole limits a discussion that you will find very little, especially for example with Tony Kade Bambara stichure: for those of you writing about the lesson, also know this... the work is a chapter out of larger work called "gorilla my love". Most of the analysis prior to five years ago on this story the lesson was actually on the larger work called "gorilla my love." if you do not find enough material by looking up "the lesson" look up "gorilla my love" gregnercessian: yeah...there isn't too much stichure: remember, you only need 3-5 secondary sources and one of them is a biography Judy Hollers: oh ok stichure: I do not want you to be overwhelmed with secondary sources and I do not want you to use so much secondary source material that you are not doing any analysis yourself gregnercessian: I notice that name popped up a number of times Judy Hollers: good to know gregnercessian: got it HeavenlyFlower731: ok stichure: you will see that name again this semester Greg... I guarantee it gregnercessian: sounds like a threat x0missmiseryx0: haha Judy Hollers: lol stichure: at this point, you now have a list of articles in front of you that our written about your topic. You'll notice that these articles have the following information... the critics name, the title of the article, original publication source... Journal or book... the addition or volume of that work, the publisher, the city and the date stichure: you must note this information because you will need it for the works cited stichure: it's not a threat... it is the promise Judy Hollers: lol gregnercessian: ha Judy Hollers: not for everyone right? stichure: yes... for everyone Judy... but will get to that later stichure: toward the end of the semester gregnercessian: is there an example of the works cited page? stichure: we are about to discuss that, Greg stichure: I want to finish up this discussion first gregnercessian: sorry stichure: it's okay... I appreciate your enthusiasm gregnercessian: too much coffee...I jumpy gregnercessian: I'm jumpy stichure: after her researching Eudora Welty's Wor n Path, for example, I have an article by Robert Phillips stichure: this is what it gives me for information in terms of who wrote it stichure: Phillips, Robert L., Jr., A Structural Approach to Myth in the Fiction of Eudora Welty, in Eudora Welty: Critical Essays, edited by Peggy Whitman Prenshaw, University Press of Mississippi, 1979, pp. 5667. Reproduced by permission. Reproduced in Contemporary Literary Criticism- Select. stichure: what you need from this is as follows stichure: Phillips, Robert L., Jr., "A Structural Approach to Myth in the Fiction of Eudora Welty." Eudora Welty: Critical Essays, edited by Peggy Whitman Prenshaw, University Press of Mississippi, 1979, pp. 5667. stichure: noticed that I put the articles title in quotation marks stichure: noticed that the author is listed last name first stichure: noticed that the phrase IN has been removed and the title of the original anthology in which this article was found is now underlined gregnercessian: got it stichure: also, the publication information for the literature resource Center has also been removed stichure: so stichure: for every article that you find stichure: author... if available and for anything other than a biography or an editorial in a newspaper, it will be available stichure: last name first first name and then a period. Judy Hollers: ok stichure: followed by the title of the article that you are reading in quotation marks also followed by a period stichure: then, the work the article was originally published in either italicized or underlined stichure: followed by the publisher stichure: city of publication stichure: publication date stichure: if it is the Journal, you may include pages Judy Hollers: ok stichure: if it is a journal as most of this will be you may include the pages gregnercessian: ok HeavenlyFlower731: ok stichure: all college-level research requires a documentation of your source material. In your science classes, you are required in essence to show where you got your research material. The same goes for literary research. Literary research requires that you find material written by other critics and others who have gone before you and USE that material in your own work. Obviously, you must quote and cite them accurately within the text of your paper. But since only the author and the page number are listed in the text, what follows is commonly known as the "works cited page" Judy Hollers: i feel like i'm going to better on this paper Judy Hollers: i will remember stichure: the works cited page lists all of the works, including the primary source, in alphabetical order by author's last name stichure: go to my web site and choose works cited from the paper format and test instruction page Judy Hollers: i will make sure to check my spelling gregnercessian: ok stichure: go there now please\ Judy Hollers: ok carmel718: ok stichure: what people don't seem to understand about this... so I'll repeat it as much as possible... is that whether or not a work is a primary or secondary source is of no consequence on a works cited page. Your listing each item in its order according to the authors last name. For those articles that do not have an author, you list that work by its title stichure: on my way discussion of works cited, you'll notice that the items I am showing you are listed by the type of work, whether it is a book or it's an anthologized work... like your story... or a Journal article, like those we just saw HeavenlyFlower731: so if there's no page numbers when it happens that we quote somebody...do we say like...(Author's name, np)? stichure: no flour... just the name HeavenlyFlower731: okay stichure: for those of you who decide to use articles by Alice Walker to discuss Alice Walker's everyday use or use a work by Eudora Welty to discuss Eudora Welty's worn path, your in text citation will be the title of the work, since we must distinguish between which welty or Walker work is being cited Judy Hollers: ok stichure: in other words, Alice Walker has written articles about her own life and her work. Likewise, Eudora Welty has published an article about Phoenix Jackson's grandson that I referred to earlier. These articles as well as the primary work will be listed in your works cited page but in the text of your essay, these works, if you choose to use more than one work by the same author, will be listed by title HeavenlyFlower731: ok stichure: go to my "works cited page example" stichure: you'll notice that the page is fairly simple. At the top it says "works cited" stichure: not bibliography stichure: not sources stichure: not "stuff I found on the Internet" stichure: it is "WORKS CITED" stichure: centered carmel718: ok HeavenlyFlower731: the underline is for no authors cited? stichure: underneath that is a listing of the articles that you have used. If your author is Alice Walker or Eudora Welty, it is likely that your primary source will be listed last in your works simply because W. falls late in the alphabet stichure: heavenly... I will get to that in a minute HeavenlyFlower731: ok stichure: you'll also noticed that the format uses something called hanging indentation stichure: regular indentation indents the first line five spaces stichure: hanging indentation indents every line but the first five spaces stichure: noticed that what sticks out is the name, which of course is what you used in the body of your essay stichure: so when someone is reading your paper and they see a quotation with (Jones 34), they go to your works cited page and then they can find Jones rather quickly stichure: there is a logic to this stichure: you'll notice that under Steven Kings the stand is an article called why I wrote the Green mile stichure: that is also by Stephen King HeavenlyFlower731: oh okay HeavenlyFlower731: i got it stichure: that line indicates that the article listed as the same author as the previous article listed and also indicates that in the text of that particular essay, the king works will be listed by title rather than by author stichure: if there is no author, like the editorial listed on that page or the television show "Adolf Hitler" the work is simply listed by title stichure: you'll also noticed that it is called a works cited because it includes things like interviews, research, books, articles, and even television shows stichure: and yes, there is a movie on a worn path as well as one on everyday use, both available in your library stichure: these are secondary sources stichure: they are the director's translation of the primary work stichure: they do not stand for the work... they explain it Judy Hollers: i'm going to have to print up tonites chat stichure: I posted for you, Judy stichure: every paper after this point will require it works cited page... since there are only two left, that means the next two papers including this paper will require it works cited page stichure: let me simplify... on paper two and three, you are required to give me a works cited page stichure: heheh gregnercessian: got it stichure: do not forget the primary source Judy Hollers: wow stichure: for those of you who want Welty's discussion of whether or not Phoenix Jackson's grandson is really dead, google will help you there. Otherwise, use the literature resource Center and Ebscohost Judy Hollers: ok gregnercessian: I'm still a little lost on the indentation stichure: also keep in mind that Alice Walker has appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show many times. Whether or not she is discussed this particular work I do not know, but she has discussed thematically her ideas about conflict within the black community and also her ideas about racism. Thematically, some of these interviews may hold some information that you may find useful for this assignment stichure: greg, do you see the works cited example page carmel718: line 1 - not indented, lines 2, 3, 4...indented 5 spaces stichure: are you there stichure: exactly Carmel stichure: hanging indentation is one of the options on Microsoft Word stichure: when you open a Word document, the line that holds the bold, italics and underline and font information at the top of the page will have a little arrow on the far right hand side. If you click on an arrow, it will offer more options, one of them called "customize" gregnercessian: Ok....I got it Judy Hollers: ok i going to take a stab at it tonight gregnercessian: thanks stichure: when you click customize, it will open a dialogue box that has two sides. On the left-hand side, choose format... on the right hand side then scroll down and you will find hanging indentation almost exactly halfway down the list stichure: make that one of your buttons. When you create your works cited page, highlight the entire paragraph of information, from the author's name all the way to the last item in that particular selection. Then click the hanging indentation and the computer will automatically hang the indent for you stichure: if that doesn't work, do it old-style... at the end of the first line, hit return and put your cursor in front of the first word of the next line and tap the space bar 5 times carmel718: oh the typewriter days stichure: yes indeed HeavenlyFlower731: lol Judy Hollers: alot to remember stichure: that's why we spent the entire two hours just talking about this Judy stichure: back to the basics... is everyone clear about the title page Judy Hollers: i needed it stichure: give me a yes or no pleas so we can move on HeavenlyFlower731: yes carmel718: yes borninshadow: Aye Judy Hollers: yes stichure: shadow... always being the individual borninshadow: Yarrr stichure: is everybody clear on where to find secondary sources\ stichure: shadow... always being the pirate HeavenlyFlower731: yes carmel718: yes Judy Hollers: yes stichure: like I said, go to the library and get the complete list of secondary sources Judy Hollers: ok got it gregnercessian: ok stichure: included in the secondary sources is a dictionary and an encyclopedia, which will be useful for some symbols, including many of the objects from the lesson as well as the objects from everyday use and a worn path stichure: also, if you want historical information about the social climate of the era, some of the Eric and LEXIS-NEXIS information might be helpful there stichure: I don't want you to go too far, but the idea is for you to have at your fingertips what you need Judy Hollers: ok Judy Hollers: little nervous gregnercessian: thanks...this will be fun stichure: Judy... stick to the basics... go to the literature resource Center and get your three -- by secondary sources including one biography stichure: 3-5 secondary sources Judy Hollers: ok stichure: does everybody understand what he works cited page looks like... it will have anywhere between 4 to 6 items on it Judy Hollers: i'm going tomarrow gregnercessian: yes stichure: by the way, in the library, they do have a style sheet for MLA concerning both in text citation and works cited pages HeavenlyFlower731: yes Judy Hollers: ok stichure: finally, the one excuse that you may not give me concerning your paper is that the librarians would not help you. Like I said, the research part of the library was centered around English 101 class, they know what you're looking for, and they know how to help you. Their job is not to do your research, but to show you where to look. If you are confused about any of this, you are to go to the library and get some help stichure: are there any questions Judy Hollers: ok i know i'm there HeavenlyFlower731: no gregnercessian: no Judy Hollers: no not tonight carmel718: no stichure: Judy... you're at the library or it now? stichure: you're at the library right now stichure: ? Judy Hollers: no stichure: okay... it was a figure of speech stichure: sorry stichure: heeh stichure: feeling gullible Judy Hollers: i need to be gregnercessian: less than two weeks till this paper is due.... stichure: next week, the late start class will discuss worn path stichure: that's correct Greg... stichure: we will discuss some of the symbols next week but you should already started gregnercessian: ok Judy Hollers: ok got it gregnercessian: it was good Judy Hollers: very helpful chat gregnercessian: thanks again Prof. Eiland...these chats help big time gregnercessian: see ya next monday. stichure: for the regular class, we will discuss your draft stichure: for the regular class, also, do not fail to take test... for the late start class, I will and announce a test next week stichure: you're welcome Greg... borninshadow: ::blink blink:: TesT? stichure: again, for the regular class, we are discussing your draft of paper number two... this will be the time for you to get some feedback from me carmel718: test #2, right? (just making sure i haven't missed one) carmel718: can't afford to miss one after the first one (grrr) stichure: that's correct, Carmel stichure: it has been posted since the 12th, shadow HeavenlyFlower731: i hear you Carmel borninshadow: Gaah my slowness strikes again gregnercessian: oh boy stichure: however, we did not discuss irony stichure: so make your essay about symbolism...\ stichure: we will talk about irony in two weeks stichure: you have until Thursday, shadow gregnercessian has left the conference. borninshadow: Oh, whew stichure: breathe Judy Hollers: Bye Mr. Eiland stichure: any other questions before I kick you outta here stichure: take care, Judy borninshadow: Where exactly was the test date posted? stichure: the 12th x0missmiseryx0 has left the conference. stichure: on the message board shadow stichure: where all the test and paper due dates are posted borninshadow: I'm looking, but not finding stichure: are you late start or regular, shadow borninshadow: Regular stichure: how many messages are in the test folder? HeavenlyFlower731 has left the conference. borninshadow: 1 stichure: refresh the page or perhaps you are in the late start class stichure: tell me what\ the class number is borninshadow: Oh, I think I accidently put myself down as latestart -.- stichure: aHHA stichure: heeeh stichure: you put yourself in a distinct disadvantage]] borninshadow: More than just a little stichure: take the test with the late start class borninshadow: Oh? stichure: the school obviously thinks that you're in the late start class borninshadow: That or just black board stichure: well, either way, you need to get this done by the end of the semester so do what works best for you. borninshadow: Mmkay stichure: have a good week borninshadow: Heh thanks, you too borninshadow: Bye everybody! borninshadow has left the conference. carmel718: bye Judy Hollers has left the conference. carmel718 has left the conference. stichure: thanks stichure: poof