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Moderator: 101


Moderator: hey now


Chris: hey hey


Moderator: how s the final paper coming along


Moderator: hey ball


Chris: slowly...


nicmball 1: hello


Moderator: which are you doing for the final paper


nicmball 1: story of an hour


Chris: same


Moderator: a popular choice, especially when people see that it's only a page and a half


nicmball 1: and im kinda confused. the note cards are in mla format with a short description of what the source is saying?


nicmball 1: hahaha


Moderator: that is correct, ball


nicmball 1: ok and how do we do that for the articles and biographies on the gale lit site?


Moderator: Did you read last week's chat?


nicmball 1: yea i was actually there, but i guess i forgot or didn't notice it haha


Moderator: Well, what I was pointing out


Moderator: and you can look at this now if you get onto Gail


Moderator: at the bottom of each article


Moderator: is the source


Moderator: it is called “source citation”


Moderator: it is at the bottom of the article


Moderator: you just copy and paste that


nicmball 1: ok so we use that citation then


Moderator: yes


Moderator: what you don't want to do is include the URL that underneath it


nicmball 1: oh ok.


Moderator: Bethea, Arthur F. "Carver's 'Wes Hardin: From a Photograph' and 'A Small, Good Thing.'." Explicator 57.3 (Spring 1999): 176-179. Rpt. in Short Story Criticism. Vol. 104. Detroit: Gale, 2007. Literature Resource Center. Web. 2 May 2012.


Moderator: author


Moderator: title of the article


Moderator: the  publication it was printed in, including publication information for anything that journal, such as volume.


Moderator: City


Moderator: year


Moderator: you'll notice that they also add the fact  you found it in the LRC


Moderator: and your access date


Moderator: underneath that, you would give me an explanation as to what it is for your note cards/annotated works


Moderator: biography


Moderator: symbolic analysis


Moderator: thematic analysis


Moderator: anything like that


Moderator: did either of you take the makeup test


nicmball 1: got it.


nicmball 1: No i didn't


Chris: no i did not either


Moderator: did either of you read Cathedral


nicmball 1: no


Moderator: well, since you're here, let's talk about story of an hour


nicmball 1: ok


Moderator: what's the basic plot


Chris: feeling free about the eath of her husband


Moderator: hello Barbara.


nicmball 1: death of husband


Moderator: Actually, a neither is really the plot.


Moderator: When asked about the plot, I want to tell me who did what.


Moderator: Barbara, what story did you choose for your final paper


Barbara: The Yellow Wallpaper


Moderator: have you started your research Barbara


Barbara: Yes I have but I feel like I don't know what I am looking for


Moderator: Chris, Ball, have you read the story of an hour?


Moderator: Barbara, keep in mind that I'm asking you specifically for symbolism, irony and conflict


Moderator: as we did last week, you would open a search engine that essentially has the author's name, the title of the work, and one of those words


Moderator: and you would get a great number of responses in terms of articles written about your story


Moderator: you need to read those articles


Moderator: you're looking for stuff that can help you to analyze your  story choice


Moderator: because you got a use these resources, directly quoted, along with the primary source, the story, to explain symbols and ironies and conflicts


Moderator: Chris, ball, did you read the story of an hour?


Barbara: I read the story of an hour


nicmball 1: Mrs mallard was told that her husband was killed in a railroad accident and after that she died herself.


Moderator: If you didn't, you can either read it right now… it's a page and a half… or we can talk about it another time


Moderator: excellent barbara.


Moderator: Sort of ball… course the most important part is that middle section which is the actual story


Moderator: what does she do between being told  her husband was killed and herself dying


nicmball 1: she kept saying free free free body and soul free


Moderator: she did…where was she


nicmball 1: in a room by herself


Moderator: what was she doing in there


nicmball 1: crying


Moderator: Barbara you can join in the conversation if you like  since you have read it


Moderator: why she crying


nicmball 1: because her husband died is what i got from it


nicmball 1: but it's hard because she seems like she is happy he's dead even though she loved him


Barbara: because she was finally free from the marriage and her husband who made her a kept woman


Moderator: you're going to try to write an 8 to 12 page paper based on  a page and a half story… you're going to have to understand the subtlety of it


Moderator: show me that she loved him ball


Moderator: find a passage in the story where it says that


Moderator: Barbara, show me where she feels her husband  made her a kept woman


Moderator: no matter what you claim, it's important to be able to show me where that happened in the story


Moderator: Hey, William


nicmball 1: "And yet she had loved him--sometimes. Often she had not" (Chopin 122)


Moderator: at the red story of an hour?


William: Hey


Moderator: Ball, I'm getting a mixed message there


Chris: yea i am not so sure about a 8-12 pg paper on a page and a half


Barbara: first of all she was sick with a heart condition


Moderator: have you read  story of an hour William


nicmball 1: she did love him at some point.


Moderator: um Barbara… you want to translate that


Moderator: well it says it sometimes ball… are there other any


Moderator: phrases from the story which tells us how she felt about the marriage overall


Moderator: will Chris,  understand that I know it can be done. It's done every semester and of course the ability to do that is the ability to find multiple symbols and ironies and conflicts in a very condensed work


Moderator: your secondary sources  are going to point out a lot of these


Moderator: but our conversation here today here help you to understand how to look for them


Chris: there seems to be alot of symbols in the story.. it is very discriptive but i am still unsure


Moderator: Barbara, explained what that means


Moderator: well Chris, let's have a conversation


Moderator: explain Mrs. Mallard's malady


nicmball 1: heart condition


Chris: she had heart trouble


Moderator: what does that mean


Barbara: the part where she is now able to live for herself and no pwerfull will bending hers p. 122


Moderator: Barbara  are you explaining the heart trouble or are you explaining that Mrs. Mallard was unhappy in her marriage


Barbara: the husband seemed to be overbearing on her


Chris: she doesnt seem to be able to live a full life


Barbara: the heart trouble may have been a result of her unhappy marriage.  Stress


Moderator: now let's answer the question about  her malady


Moderator: Barbara, remember that I want conflict irony and symbolism


Moderator: start with the obvious and the easiest… conflict


Moderator: label and explain


Chris: man v self joy and grief


Moderator to William: Did you read story of an hour?


Moderator to William: if not, it's only one page  and a half...


Moderator: joy for what and grief for what Chris


Moderator: try to give me a full answer when you do


Moderator: if she has joy that she won $1 million but she's sad her grandmother died,  that is not necessarily internal conflict


Barbara: there was some conflict where she loved her husband - Sometimes!


Chris: she first feels the grief of her husband dying but hten begins to feel free and a overwhelming joy


Barbara: often she did not love him


Moderator: Barbara, again, label the conflict and  tell me what two sides of the conflict are


Moderator: that is a better answer Chris


Moderator: she is both grief stricken and joyful that her husband died.


Moderator: It's about the same events with two conflicting responses


Moderator: why is she happy that he died


William: Not sufering?


William: I have no idea,.


Barbara: she had a love-hate relationship with her husband.  She was sad he died but happy to be free of the relationship with him.


Moderator: very good  Barbara


Moderator: what was her physical malady again


Chris: her husband?


Moderator: William, the story is rather condensed, that's for sure, but the author does make it clear what the characters feeling. Since really the only character we see is Mrs. Mallard, it's


Moderator: quite focused on her issues


Moderator: Chris I'm not  Following.... explain?


Chris: it almost seems the the heart condition comes and goes with his presence  unless im way off in my interpretation haha


Moderator: You're not way off. But you're missing an opportunity


Moderator: folks… according to the narrative, what is wrong with her heart


Chris: its non specific right?


nicmball 1: heart disease


Moderator: actually, the doctor and the narrative both explain her problem with her heart


Moderator: is that what it says Ball?


Barbara: her heart is troubled


Moderator: is that what it says Barbara?


nicmball 1: it says thats what she died from


Moderator: do we know she has a heart condition at the beginning of the story


nicmball 1: no


Barbara: yes


Chris: yes it is the first line


Moderator: Barbara…


Moderator: it's interesting that you word it the way you did


Moderator: how to Chopin word


Barbara: it states she is afflicted with a heart troubles


Moderator: with a heart trouble


Moderator: notice "a heart trouble"


Moderator: not heart trouble


Brittany: sorry im so late


Moderator: a heart trouble


Moderator: it's okay Britney. Story of an hour


Brittany: ok


Moderator: if you haven't read it, it's only a page and a half


Brittany: will start now!


Moderator: the author is inviting us to take it literally


Moderator: and also to take it figuratively


Moderator: symbolism


Moderator: what  does heart refer to besides the coronary muscle


Chris: the emotional center of a person


Moderator: it's interesting Barbara that the way  you worded it is actually accurate\


Moderator: Barbara: her heart is troubled


Moderator: very good Chris


Moderator: what is her heart trouble


Moderator: besides coronary occlusion


Chris: her husband


Moderator: very good


Moderator: is she happy or unhappy in her marriage


Chris: symbol!


Moderator: yes


Moderator: but also


Moderator: not  just symbol


Chris: a conflcit?


Barbara: her heart is troubled meaning she is unhappy in her relationship with her husband.


nicmball 1: irony


Moderator: yes Chris


Moderator: which one ball


Moderator: yes Barbara


nicmball 1: nevermind i read something else


Moderator: uahaahha


Moderator: unfortunately,


Moderator: you're correct


Moderator: that the end of the story, what is the doctors declaration


Moderator: cause of death


nicmball 1: why unfortunately???


Chris: joy


Moderator: because you're bailing on your answer


Moderator: and your answer was correct


Chris: ahhh hahaha..


Moderator: Chris, I need to complete answer


nicmball 1: haha my bad. i stick with it


Moderator: is not joy


Moderator: ball, unfortunately now you'll have to label it


Moderator: ahhahah


Chris: she died of heart disease


Moderator: it's a never ending cycle of unfortunately...


Moderator: Chris… joy


Moderator: what kind of joy according to the doctor


Moderator: you brought it up, so finished the idea


Chris: the kind that kills


Moderator: okay


Moderator: according to the doctor, what does he think killed her


Moderator: be specific


nicmball 1: shes joyful that she is on her own now, but a little piece of her heart is broken because he's dead


Moderator: no


Barbara: they think it was heart disease


Moderator: yes


Moderator: but why would heart disease killer at that moment


Moderator: ball, what you're giving me is her internal conflict


Barbara: stress of his death


Moderator: no Barbara


Chris: because her husband returned from the dead


Moderator: what happened just before she kills over


Moderator: yes Chris


Moderator: and what does the doctor think kills her


Barbara: he showed up at home


Chris: the joy of having him back


Moderator: " a joy that kills"


Moderator: yes Chris


Moderator: the shock of him coming back


Moderator: she is so happy


Moderator: so overjoyed


Moderator: so overcome with  ecstasy


Moderator: it kills her


Moderator: what do we know


Moderator: what did kill her


Chris: its the tremendous dissapointment of his life


Barbara: the sight of him cming through the door


Moderator: hahahaha


Moderator: Barbara you have to be clearer


Moderator: otherwise, you're explaining what the doctor thinks


Moderator: Chris the tremendous disappointment of his…


Barbara: for being such a short story, it is hard to decipher.


Moderator: the way you worded that it sounds like she's disappointed in his life… the way he lived his life…


Chris: living-ness


Moderator: Barbara, that's why it requires symbol and irony and conflict analysis


Moderator: jhahaah


Moderator: that is exactly it Chris


Moderator: so


Moderator: Dr.


Moderator: Dr. says “a joy that kills” and he is implying that she died from being overjoyed at his  survival


Moderator: we know


Moderator: she dies because she is crushed miraculous survival


Moderator: label this


Moderator: specific literary term


Chris: irony


Moderator: difference between what the character  says and thinks and what we know to be different


Moderator: which one Chris


Brittany: dramatic irony


Moderator: very good Britney


Moderator: does everybody understand how this works


nicmball 1: yep


Moderator: finally, what is the specific conflict


Barbara: yes


Moderator: that killed her


Moderator: there are several correct answers… please label and explain your answer in one entry


Brittany: lost connection, sorry!


Moderator: so I'll ask the question again


Moderator: what is the conflict that is associated with her death


nicmball 1: man v self happy he's back, but upset he's back at the same time


Moderator: there are a couple correct answers


Brittany: i agree with nic


Moderator: ball, I don't think she's happy he's back


Moderator: there is no evidence in the story that she's happy he's back


Barbara: I dont thing she is happy either to see him after all she thought she was free!


Moderator: Barbara then tell me what conflict is evident


Brittany: man vs man between josephine and the husband. she doesnt want him and is happy at the thought of being rid of him, but he comes home thinking everything should be fine not knowing her true feelings


Moderator: very good Britney


William: The conflict is labled dramatic irony. Man vs nature. Did she even know the husband was alive?


Moderator: that would explain her disappointment


Moderator: the irony is labeled dramatic William


Moderator: the conflict is man versus nature only if you can tell me what  element of nature she is the conflict with


Chris: internal conflict man v. self "But she saw beyond that bitter moment a long procession of years to come that would belong to her absolutely. And she opened and spread her arms out to them in welcome." so she is happy he is gone but also "She wept at once, with sudden, wild abandonment, in her sister's arms. When the storm of grief had spent itself she went away to her room alone. She would have no one follow her." she is sad


Chris: ?


Barbara: the conflict of her having a love/hate relationship with her husband because he thought he could impose his will upon her.


Moderator: Chris, that is when she finds out  he is dead


Moderator: and that is correct


Moderator: we did talk about that earlier on. I'm looking for the conflict that actually kills her at the end of the story


Moderator: Barbara label that


Chris: yes


Chris: sorry thought that was a ?


Moderator: Chris, what I  wanted you to now tell me what conflict kills her at the end of the story


nicmball 1: man v man she is happy he is gone, but he comes home thinking everything is all good


Moderator: you're telling me the conflict she has for most of the middle of the story when she's in her room


Moderator: yes ball… she is unhappy he comes home… man versus man


Chris: man v. self


Moderator: at the beginning and through most of the stories she has a man versus self conflict in which she is slightly said that he died but is mostly happy that she's now free


Moderator: what I'm looking for is at the end of the story


Moderator: another conflict that is so obvious


Moderator: because it's what the doctor declares


Chris: her v. heart?


Moderator: it's what the doctor actually thinks


Moderator: very good Chris


Moderator: hahhaha


Moderator: man versus what


nicmball 1: nature


Moderator: yes


Moderator: whew


William: Man vs nature


Moderator: man versus man… she doesn't want her husband back but he comes back


Moderator: man versus nature… her heart gives out on her


Moderator: earlier on, man versus self… both happy and grief stricken about the death of her husband


Moderator: so that means the death involves


Moderator: a man versus man or nature conflict, along with a dramatic irony when the doctor declares the death


Moderator: is there also a symbol in there


Moderator: what did she say she was going to do when she realized her husband was dead


Moderator: and gone


Moderator: I'm looking for a specific word because it is this kind of wordplay where we get symbol and irony together


Chris: live


Moderator: very good Chris


Moderator: therefore


Moderator: either actually or metaphorically, what would the return of her husband  mean for her


Chris: deat


Chris: h


Brittany: death


Moderator: exactly


Moderator: even if she didn't have a heart attack,


Moderator: an element of her would've died


Moderator: so how long was her life


Chris: a couple of hours tops


nicmball 1: an hour


Brittany: agreed


Moderator: Chris… title


Moderator: very good ball


Brittany: an hour


nicmball 1: hahahahahahaha


Moderator: the title really could be called


Brittany: life in an hour


Moderator: or


Chris: an hour to live


Brittany: shortlived live


Moderator: if her life equals hour....


Brittany: life


Moderator: story out…


Moderator: the story of


nicmball 1: life


Moderator: what's important here and what will help you in your paper is of course  the ability to find this kind of density in a single element


Moderator: exactly l ball


Moderator: notice in this case we took the moment of her death and we found conflict irony in symbolism in multiple ways


Moderator: that's how you turn one and a half pages of story into eight pages of analysis


Moderator: what's her name


nicmball 1: mallard


Brittany: josephine


Moderator: in fact, I want to look at the names for all the female characters


Moderator: what is Josephine


Moderator: what is Mallard


Chris: duck?


Barbara: a duck


Moderator: what kind of duck


Barbara: a male duck


Moderator: explain your answer Barbara


nicmball 1: most common duck in the northern hemisphere


Moderator: (what is it look like)


Brittany: josephine- empress


nicmball 1: green head white neck


Chris: green brown white stripe


nicmball 1: white collar*


Moderator: Mallard is a breed. Like any breed, there are both males and females.


Barbara: homecoming duck


Moderator: You are correct that the Mallard is what most people envision when they think of it back if it's not white


Moderator: hahahah


Moderator: what does the female look like


Barbara: brown and white only


nicmball 1: brown


Barbara: not colorful like the male


Barbara: no white collar like the husband the working man


Moderator: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_cQ-tyBzqpMg/S-mdc4W9qII/AAAAAAAAABQ/It0ZRlg3nR8/s1600/mallard_duck-male-female-1.jpg


Moderator: which one is more important


Moderator: which one is more obvious


Barbara: the male


nicmball 1: the male


Moderator: make the connection


Moderator: what year was the story written


Brittany: 1894


Chris: 1894


Barbara: he is more important that she is.  superior to her the female


nicmball 1: 1894


Moderator: how does that relate to the era in which it was written


Brittany: and he is impressing his will on her, like the last name she has "represents" him


Moderator: very good Britney


Moderator: also, you might want to look at the mating habits of ducks


Barbara: women's oppression


Moderator: the specific Barbara


nicmball 1: men worked women stayed at home to cook clean and take care of kids


Moderator: Be specific Barbara


Moderator: well,  is Mrs. Mallard the type of person is going to be cleaning a house


Moderator: is she in that social class


Moderator: /


Moderator: for both story of an hour and yellow wallpaper, it is important you understand the social position of women at that time in history and were talking about both socially and legally


Moderator: is Mrs. Mallard  And her husband working class or upper class?


William: Working class


Brittany: ducks have aggressive sexual behavior


Barbara: no she is high society


Moderator: William, show me


Moderator: very good Britney


Moderator: show me that in the story


Moderator: show me that Barbara


William: Railroad workers are workering class.


Moderator: is not a railroad worker William


Moderator: read carefully


Moderator: look what he is wearing when he comes home


Moderator: he is a commuter


Barbara: travel-stained


Moderator: working clothes or suit


nicmball 1: suit


Barbara: suit


Brittany: it said composedly, so id guess suit?


Chris: doesnr say


Chris: maybe suit because of the umbrella .. were those only for the higher class?


Moderator: what is a grip sack


Moderator: very good Chris


Brittany: a briefcase


Moderator: Yass


Moderator: what does he do for a living


Moderator: work with his hands or work in an office


Barbara: so he is a businessman


nicmball 1: business man


Moderator: yes


Brittany: in an office


Moderator: small house or a big house


Brittany: big


nicmball 1: big


Brittany: stairs


Barbara: big house


Moderator:  is she likely to do housework herself


Brittany: no


Barbara: no she probably has a housekeeper


Chris: no


Moderator: however, is she oppressed by her husband


Barbara: yes


Moderator: show me a passage from the story


Moderator: Britney, you told us that ducks have aggressive sexual behavior… show me that in the story


Barbara: there would be no powerful will bending hers in that blind pesisitence wit hwhich men and women believe the yahve a right to impose a provate will upon a fellow-creature.


Moderator: very good


Moderator: I want to look at the name Josephine… you are correct that it is a famous Empress… who was Josephine's mate


Barbara: sorry for the misspelling prof.


Moderator: hahahah


Brittany: as powerless as her two white slender hands would have been


Moderator: I am in no position to talk about misspellings and typos in this chat


Moderator: very good Britney


Chris: Now her bosom rose and fell tumultuously. She was beginning to recognize this thing that was approaching to possess her, and she was striving to beat it back with her will--as powerless as her two white slender hands would have been. When she abandoned herself a little whispered word escaped her slightly parted lips. She said it over and over under hte breath: "free, free, free!"


Moderator: a points that she is definitely weaker and less powerful


Moderator: Chris, and that tells us what


Brittany: that she is free of his will


Moderator: yes


Barbara: the will he has imposed upon her


Moderator: yes


Moderator: look at the name Josephine… who is Josephine's mate?


nicmball 1: napoleon


Moderator: What kind of person was Napoleon


nicmball 1: power hungry


Moderator: how did he treat other people


Chris: conquer


Moderator: yes


Chris: as his subjects


Moderator: is this consistent with the position of our character


Moderator: are we getting a repetition of the same idea over and over again?


Brittany: yes


Brittany: oppressed woman by overbearing man


Moderator: what is the name of the other woman in the story


William: Lousie?


Moderator: Louise


Moderator: what does the name Louise and the name Josephine have in common


Brittany: wasnt josephine the sister and louise is mrs mallard?


William: ^^


Moderator: you are correct Britney


Moderator: does it change the meaning of Josephine


Moderator: is Josephine any freer


Moderator: than Louise


Moderator: hahahaha


Moderator: is there a consistency of the position of the female characters in the story


William: Consistency in what sense?


Moderator: is Mrs. Mallard  (Louise) oppressed


Brittany: i cant find the definiteion of louise


William: Sounds typical?


Brittany: yea


Moderator: is Josephine also oppressed?


Brittany: yes


Moderator: How do you know that


Moderator: has anybody found any information about what's going on in 1894 for women


William: Women were mens property.


William: 1894*


Moderator: source William?


William: Sociology 101.


Moderator: hahaahah


William: Need my text?


Moderator: Actually I'm looking for statistical information


Moderator: to me a single example of man's legal oppression of women in 1894


Brittany: married womans property act of 1894


Moderator: which is


Brittany: women becoming independent of the men


Moderator: Britney, are you saying that by 1895 that a woman who gets divorced is to keep her own stuff?


Brittany: no, but in 1894, they began to instill it, right?


Moderator: The question is whether, when the story would have been written, Mrs. Mallard anyway out of a relationship like a marriage


Moderator: also, there's something fundamentally different between men and women in 1894 in terms of legal rights


Brittany: voting


Moderator: very good Britney


Moderator: so in 1894 women are not even technically citizens…


William: Indeed.


William: Neather were a lot of others.


William: Even men.


Moderator: absolutely


Moderator: white men who had property were doing okay


Barbara: women did not earn the right to vote until 1920


Moderator: or what else is going to be a struggle even to the 1960s


Moderator: that is correct Barbara


Brittany: the writer of the act was josephine henry


Moderator: wow


Moderator: that may or may not be helpful to you in your analysis


Moderator: but it certainly is interesting


Moderator: but it does bring me back to my original question


Brittany: yup!


Moderator: remember my original question


Moderator: before we got so sidetracked


Moderator: with all mostly relevant information by the way


Moderator: I keep asking about Louise and Josephine because of something else which is actually my original reason for bringing up the names in the first place… where do the names Louise and Josephine get derived from


Barbara: louie and joe


Moderator: very good


Moderator: and therefore?


Barbara: lou and joseph


Moderator: hahhaha


Barbara: the women are an extension of the men


Moderator: very good Barbara


Moderator: does that fit the notion of Josephine as one who is associated with a small tyrant


Moderator: the idea of Louise being a female duck… oppressed


Moderator: that's the consistency  I am talking about William


Moderator: when the author layers and layers information that comes back to the same point… in this case, women are a subset… an oppressed subset of men


Moderator: which would explain why she is so relieved to be free


Moderator: if she is divorced, what does she get


Brittany: nothing


Moderator: if she is a widow, what does she get


Barbara: everything


Brittany: everything


Moderator: how is a divorcee perceived in that society?


Brittany: not good


William: Taboo.


Moderator: can you give me more specific detail Britney


Moderator: why  William


Chris: a sin


Barbara: she is not a good member of society


Moderator: very good Chris


Brittany: that she has done wrong


Moderator: Barber, you would have to explain specifically why


Moderator: exactly Britney


Moderator: how is a widow perceived at that time?


William: Compassion.


Moderator: very good William


Moderator: marriageable?


Brittany: yes


Moderator: Absolutely


Moderator: some of these practical elements are important to understand the context in which the author creates the work. She expects that the reader of the time certainly would understand what she's talking about. The fact that over 100 years have passed since she wrote this requires that we do the research to bring us back into that in order for us to understand the conflicts in symbols inherent in the work


Moderator: we have  not even talked about what she did in the room


Moderator: so let's talk… what did she do in the room


Brittany: comfortable roomy armchair that she sank into.... her new life?


Barbara: she cried


Chris: cried and then realized her joy


Moderator: Chris, when you look at the long quote that you gave us and look at it more closely and look for some symbolic context for what kind of freedom she's looking for


Moderator: very good Britney… how does that reflect new life


Moderator: Barbara, were looking for a bit more than that


Moderator: unless you tell me that it's some kind of symbolic gesture


Moderator: and again, were looking for symbol and irony and conflict.


Brittany: shes facing an open window, so new opportunity awaits, and shes sinking into this comfortable new life


William: Yoga. Or some type of prayer?


Brittany: she had been pressed down by the physical exhaustion of being oppressed by her husband and now she is sinking into the chair to relax now that he is gone


William: Coming to terms.


Moderator: OpenWindows symbolizes what


Brittany: new beginning?


Moderator: William, unlikely that it is yoga


William: Freedom.


Chris: oportunity


Brittany: new chapter?>


Moderator: it share would have to be explained and then symbolized Britney


Moderator: both freedom and opportunity for the  open window


Moderator: what is out of the open window


William: Soul.


Moderator: the chair would have to be explained and symbolized Britney


Brittany: tops of trees aquiver with with the new spring life


Moderator: William, you have to explain that.  single words don't explain to me that you understand the symbol


Moderator: just like Britney what


Brittany: herself


Moderator: again


Moderator: tops of trees symbolize what


Moderator: quivering symbolizes what


Moderator: spring symbolizes what


Brittany: trees symbolize life


Moderator: keep going Britney


Moderator: spring…


Brittany: quivering symbolizes excitement or nervousness


Moderator: very good


Moderator: spring?


Brittany: spring symbolizes new life being born


Moderator: very good


Moderator: that is an explanation\


Moderator: that shows me you understand symbols


Moderator: what is going on outside of her room while she is in her room


Brittany: the delicious breath of rain.... rain symbolizing the bad having been washed away


Moderator: very good Britney


Moderator: by the way, does rain always mean something good?


Brittany: no, could also mean a stomr coming


nicmball 1: no


Moderator: Exactly


Brittany: as in her husband coming home!


Moderator: hahahaha


Brittany: lol


Moderator: stupid husband


Brittany: yup!


Moderator: is there anything in the narrative that predicts or symbolizes that this will be a short-lived freedom for her


Brittany: patches of blue sky


William: Yeah, the ending?


Brittany: only a small amount of happiness


Moderator: no William… were looking for something that foreshadows the ending


Moderator: very good Britney… therefore the clouds equal what


Brittany: the storm


Brittany: thats brewing!


Chris: the chance of rain


William: Gloom.


Moderator: and therefore in some ways as she looks out the window, and she sees the possibilities for this new existence, there are bits of evidence that tell us that it may not be for long


Moderator: yes


Brittany: yes


Moderator: is there any other description within the room or out of the window


Brittany: a peddler below crying his wares


Moderator: what does that mean


Brittany: crying his sorrows?


Moderator: well, literally what does it mean


Brittany: theres someone out there crying


Brittany: sadness


Moderator: no… what does "crying his wares" mean


Moderator: literally


Brittany: im not sure


Moderator: you need to look this stuff up if you don't know what that means


Moderator: because the author might be giving you something else to work with


Moderator: and of course in this particular story, everything counts


Moderator: okay… what are wares


William: Commerce.


Moderator: and not exactly William


Moderator: he wants commerce


Barbara: selling his products


Moderator: yes Barbara


Barbara: street vendor


Moderator: that's simply what crying his wares means


Moderator: yes


Brittany: oh, items for sale


Moderator: and indeed, he wants commerce


Moderator: yes


William: Selling his stuff.


Moderator: exactly


Moderator: William I  thought you are describing what the word wares was, not the entire scene…


Moderator: how is this relevant to  Louise's situation, emotional position or her reality


William: She needs to sell his stuff, or she will be homeless and broke?


Brittany: maybe that when she's crying out in sobs, shes "selling" to others thats shes sad?


Moderator: William, she's upper-class… so probably not likely


Moderator: Brittany explain that context… who is she selling that idea to


Moderator: and why would she need to sell that idea in the first place


Brittany: as a widow, she'll want others compassion, so she sobs, selling her sadness to those around her to get compassion


Moderator: but why would she need to do that\


Chris: because she insnt alone


Moderator: explain Chris


nicmball 1: because she's really not sad so she needs people to believe she is


Brittany: so she isnt looked down upon for being glad that he is dead


Chris: her husbands good friend is there


William: Nicball^^


William: Indeed.


Moderator: ball, Britney, Chris, I think you might be onto something


Moderator: do we trust the peddler?


Brittany: no


Moderator: Do we trust a peddler


Moderator: why not


nicmball 1: no


Moderator: why not


nicmball 1: because they're jsut there to make a dollar


Moderator: and then


Brittany: because they just want to make money


Moderator: and then


Barbara: no because they are salespeople anxious to sell their products


Chris: poof!


nicmball 1: disappear


Brittany: be gone


Moderator: it is that second part that's important


Moderator: let's face it, if you go to the Apple store they are trying to sell their products too


Chris: sell the pain and get outta dodge


Moderator: everybody tries to sell products… it's the essence of commerce and capitalism.


Moderator: hahaah


Moderator: And if the traveling sales man that carries the negative connotation


Moderator: and it is generally a sales MAN


Brittany: yup!


Moderator: at least back then


Moderator: that would certainly make sense within the context of the story… who is Louise selling this idea to


Moderator: Chris, I think you mentioned it specifically


Brittany: the hubbys bestie


Brittany: richard


Moderator: hahahaha


William: Sister.


Moderator: which is a better answer


nicmball 1: best friend


Brittany: hubbys bestie


Moderator: try again


Moderator: you are correct William


Moderator: who is standing right outside the door


Brittany: really?


Brittany: the sis, thats right


Moderator: in fact, I want you to look at the description of Josephine


Moderator: what is she doing


Moderator: and what is her position


Brittany: putting her lips to the keyhole


Moderator: what is she asking Louise to do


Barbara: wanting to come into the room with louise


Moderator: or Barbara… conversely


Moderator: translate this


William: Comforting Mrs. Mallard.


Moderator: if Josephine wants to come into the room, what is she symbolically requesting


Moderator: well William, that's the obvious… that's the literal


Moderator: lets get to the symbolic


Moderator: what does the room represent for Louise


Barbara: to support her


Brittany: her escape


Moderator: and therefore what is it mean that Josephine is asking to join her


nicmball 1: leave your freedom


Moderator: or asking  Louise to come out of the room


Moderator: if she's asking what ball


nicmball 1: to come out


Moderator: yes


Chris: she is asking to join her independance


Brittany: she wants her to open the door and come out


Moderator: and does she indeed as… Louise to come out


William: Yeah.


Brittany: yes


Moderator: Chris, does Josephine want to enter the room or does she want Louise to come out


William: Together.


William: Come out.


Brittany: come out


Moderator: yes William


Chris: she wants the door open


Barbara: she wants her to come out


William: The husband was alive..


Moderator: she does not know that William


Moderator: Brentlley has not come home yet


Brittany: when she finally does open the door, they go downstairs and then the hubs walks in


Moderator: symbolically, she wants Louise to come out of her freedom… her isolation


Moderator: that is correct Britney


Moderator: folks, you must keep the story straight. You may not add or subtract anything


Brittany: going down the stairs may symbolize coming back down to reality


Moderator: because you'll change the translation and it will be very difficult to support


Moderator: very good Britney


Brittany: then she gets slapped with the reality of the hubs still being alive!


Moderator: and then it's all over


Barbara: and keels over!


William: Death,


Moderator: Josephine thinks what


Moderator: when Louise is in the room


Brittany: that she is sad and is making herself ill


Moderator: in reality


William: Celebration.


nicmball 1: tears of joy


Moderator: label this


Brittany: deamatic irony


William: Point of view.


Moderator: very good Britney


nicmball 1: all three


Moderator: William, you'd have to explain it for me


Moderator: ball, you can't throw a bunch of crap at the wall and then hope something sticks


Moderator: you'd have to explain each item as you tell it to me


Moderator: is there a conflict here as well


Moderator: is there a symbol here as well


Brittany: man vs man... josephine wants louise to come out of the room but louise doesnt want to


Moderator: good


nicmball 1: man vs man with josephine wanting her to come out and her not wanting to


Moderator: still good


Moderator: symbol?


nicmball 1: symbol is josephine is trying to get her to come out of her freedom doing that means death


Moderator: Very good


Moderator: see how that's a much better answer than saying “all three”


Moderator: hahahah


Brittany: haha


nicmball 1: haha i was saving all that for my essay duh!


Moderator: folks, believe it or not, there's more in this story that we have discussed


Moderator: that I will pretend we didn't have this conversation ball


Moderator: next week we will discuss yellow wallpaper


Barbara: Yeah!


Moderator: don't forget that note cards/annotated works are due the 14th


nicmball 1: real quick how many sources do we need for the notecards?


Brittany: 10


nicmball 1: 8-10?


Moderator: even if you are not doing yellow wallpaper, going through this process will help you for your paper and your final test. I would suggest that you go through the process with this


Moderator: 10, ball… who the story itself, one biography, and eight analyses of the work


Moderator: one is the story itself, one biography, and eight analyses of the work


Moderator: yeah… what they said


nicmball 1: can we have more than one biography?


Moderator: any questions


Moderator: there's no need ball


nicmball 1: ok


Moderator: and was there some reason why you need more than one biography


Brittany: not right now


Moderator: unless there is some reason why you need more than one biography


Moderator: for those of you doing story of an hour, is a little bit clearer as to what you're going to do


Moderator: ????


nicmball 1: yea


Brittany: oh yes!


Moderator: start writing your paper


Brittany: its like every line can be disected in this story


Moderator: at some point in the semester, I'm an offer an opportunity for you to calm the camp is enjoying some other people to do some pure editing. You have to have something written in order for that to make any sense


Barbara: shouldnt we start with the note cards frist?


Moderator: just about Britney. Certainly every scene and minor aspects of each scene can be broken down


Moderator: Barbara, that's due Tuesday


Moderator: the writing is next


Moderator: have a good week everybody


Brittany: so we have to do a peer edittoo?


Moderator: yes


Moderator: trust me… it'll be helpful


Brittany: any idea when that will be?


nicmball 1: is that required?


Barbara: good night professor have a good week too.


Moderator: when you've written something


Moderator: thanks Barbara


Moderator: yes Ball


Moderator: exactly a standard for English 101 since it is the introduction of the college-level research paper


Moderator: anything else


Barbara: not from me


Brittany: so do we do this in person with others? just asking so i know when it might be so i know for my scheduling


nicmball 1: since chris and i live together can we do it that way or do we have to do it another way?


Moderator: it is possible Britney. The other opportunity is to find people in the chat room or on blackboard


Moderator: ball, that's up to you… it's important that you're able to help each other. You have to be honest in the analysis


Brittany: ok


nicmball 1: ok


Brittany: have a good week!


Moderator: you to Britney


Chris: take care!


nicmball 1: have a good night


Moderator: YouTube all


Moderator: U2, ball


Moderator: thanks Chris


Moderator: poof